Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

[craving]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

hangingon;817093 wrote: so craving arer you going to stay on the bac forever? It would seem after a length of time you could stop the bac and if you have a craving take a nal and have a drink...I would bet it would not even taste good after several months. I am going to read over the book again. It was very over whelming to me. I did take 2.5 bac 3 times today. (still too nervous to start on the 5) Poured a glass of wine 3 hours ago and have only drank about 3/4 glass, typically I would have gone thru a bottle in 3 hours.
hanging

The majority of my problem is Bupropion. It caused the addiction afterall. I want to get off Bupropion. Once I am off that and I am away long enough from alcohol my normal inability to handle alcohol will appear again. If I drank 5-6 US units a night I would kiss the toilet.
What worries me is that the pattern is established in my brain, so whenever I am feeling sick this might not be sufficient de-learning for me.

I know that Baclofen will be here for me again if I need it to help me. And I did not hear of any problems about re-commencing. Still I am afraid, that this could cause negative impact on me.

I do not need to fully stop with Baclofen. Just reduce it more to the level with craving, and see what happens when I drink something.

For now I am trying to reduce Baclofen intake to the minimum possible dose. I am for now at 150mg - but I had cravings yesterday, so I am trying now to vary the dose.

11pm 37.5mg
9am 25mg
2pm 50mg
8pm 37.5mg

I had before good results with taking a higher dose around lunch time. Would kick in 2-4 hours later.

Ideally I want to reduce to below 100mg. But if cravings are back I can not do it.

And again I think a majority of the problem is Bupropion. If I can get off that, I think a lot of things are fixable.
Last time I tried to reduce Bupropion to 1 pill a day (from normally 2-3 pills a day) I had shocking Panic attacks / pure anxiety - for a week until Bupropion kicked in again.

Plan
1) Get off Bupropion - get bad thoughts and panic/anxiety under control
2) be long enough away from alcohol and reduce Baclofen more

so we are still some months ahead of all that thoughts!!! :H

I have hope for the first time in my life. My alcohol problem just lasted less than 3 years - before that I was not drinking anything. But Bupropion really screwed up my brain heavy. I need to recover first of that damages before I can think of doing changes to my Baclofen protocol. Most likely I need to switch to another anti-depressive medication - but again then I will not be able to drink.

50 days AF

[reneesmiles]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

Is the combination of Nal and Bac a good combination. Actually neither work 100% for me. The injection form of Nal (Vivitrol) has worked the best for me. Unfortunately it cost $800.00 a shot and my insurance quit covering it. Ugh

[hoping4better]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

Hangin, I can't add anything to what Craving and PV pointed out with regard to TSM. It takes at least 6 months for many people (less for some) to know if TSM will work for you. If TSM worked for me in and of itself, I wouldn't even take issue with baclofen. I am only adding bac b/c after about 10 month on TSM, I have not decreased my drinking levels. I am only on 15 mg of bac (starting out), but fell asleep this afternoon when my son was napping. I can't remember the last time I took a nap, so I'm attributing it to the bac. Hopefully my body will adjust.

[eight days a week]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

Yes hoping, the nap will be due to the Bac, and yes you will get used to it! It's amazing that I was so sleepy - irresistably so - when I first started, or up my dose, but now at the same dose I don't even notice

renee - Nal and Bac target very different parts of the brain. For me, Nal seemed to solve part of my problem with alcohol (the great pleasure and rush I got from drinking) and yet still I drank to relieve anxiety. I think I may be a mixed Gaba / endorphin drinker, so I'm really hopeful of the mix of the two. I think it depends what sort of compulsion to drink you have (and also whether Nal works for you of course). It's interesting you say the injection worked best for you, I'd love to know why that was. Perhaps you are someone who might consider taking more than the standard 50mg of Nal if you think your receptors aren't covered enough by one tablet alone? Is that perhaps why the injection was better?

[craving]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

I have no experience with the injection - but the injection does not work for TSM.
injection is mend to reduce craving - but it stops the endorphine rush at all times. which is contraproductive according to TSM.

[pompeyman]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

hi ive just started nal and it made me really REALLY sick for over 12 hours i had been drinking too but not on the day i took the nal i skipped my 50g yesterday just taken another one waiting to see what happens has any one experienced such a violent reaction????

[Lo0p]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

Yes, nausea is a common side effect. Violently sick can happen too. It is nothing to worry about. It should subside within a couple/few doses.

[pompeyman]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

thanks for reply

thanks took 50g a few hours and i just feel a bit nausious at moment not being sick not dinking today ....... thanks for the reply ......

[craving]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

you should never take naltrexone when you are not drinking. that is the main principle behind TSM

[eight days a week]

Been on naltroxene for10 months, just added bac

pompeyman, you could try going down to 1/2 a tablet for a few days till your body gets used to Nal. That's what I did, and what a lot of people do, and I still had side effects, but I'm sure they would have been worse on the full 50mg.

My SEs were really strong, I'm so glad I built up to the full dose over a few days. Even at the lower dose, I almost gave up on Nal because of them. (Mine were different - mainly feeling very uncomfortable around other people and 'disconnected' from reality.)

But, I think the fact that you have such clear side effects means that Nal has a marked effect on your brain, so please stick with it

Hopefully see you in the semis (Spurs fan here!)

craving;817765 wrote: you should never take naltrexone when you are not drinking. that is the main principle behind TSM

Quite right!