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    #31
    Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

    Those are actually the same book. Just printed in different years. Don't know why they changed the name. May have been a marketing issue.
    Sunny

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      #32
      Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

      Trying to figure this all out in hopefull and meanigfull sense and then

      rest~
      :notes:Theme2be

      " Do not lose courage in considering your own imperfections but instantly set about remedying them~everyday begin the task anew".-Saint Francis de Sales

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        #33
        Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

        (its prolly the drunk in me, but i was thinking of drinking again so i culd quit better...lol)ok, so i have been AF for 288 odd days, but i still WANT to drink.
        with TSM, i would need to drink to re mapp the pathways in my brain, is that the nutshell?
        would i be able to hit the 'SWITCH' with bac without drinking?and not risk relapse?
        AF since 10/26/2009

        It will be five years sober 10/26/2014

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          #34
          Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

          shameless bump.
          any opinions?
          AF since 10/26/2009

          It will be five years sober 10/26/2014

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            #35
            Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

            aspman;937428 wrote: shameless bump.
            any opinions?
            Aspy,

            I can see no reason why you can't start taking bac, even after being sober for so long.

            You'll know soon enough whether it is reducing the cravings you're experiencing or not.

            You'll also be a useful guinea pig for us :H, since it'll be the 1st example (that I'm aware of) of someone using bac to mitigate cravings after having achieved long-term sobriety already.
            I'll do whatever it takes
            AF 21/08/2009

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              #36
              Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

              good morning all,i find this to be a great article,there are many doctors who wouldnt give you the time of day,nor even understand addiction,i asked months ago if the doctor had the addiction himself,he has so answered the question and i applaud him for that,not only did he do that he and i think on the same line,research,there are so many opinions on addiction the true fact has been thrown under the carpet,back in the 30 s probition was brot into force,if they the government s would of stuck to there guns,this catastrphy that has happened mite not be as bad,as the addiction will never go away either did alchohol,theres an old saying ,if it works why let it go,im very fortunate i find,ive never had a problem stopping,its staying stopped and wanting to,forever,thats the hard part,no matter what pill you take,the key is how bad do you wnat Sobriety,again doctor,ive seen worse writing,you did a great job gyco

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                #37
                Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                I've been taking baclofen at a fairly low dose, 12.5 to 25 mg, once a day late in the afternoon. I have been taking it since becoming sober rather than to get sober and it may be helping me ward off alcohol cravings. I was an evening-only drinker so bac would be in my system in the hours leading up to when I drank. I take a couple of other medications however so can't be sure that it's only the bac cutting my cravings, but I think it is helping.

                I agree that trying baclofen is a good idea even if you have been sober without it. Most people seem to be able to tolerate it ok if they gradually increase their dose, and maybe you could also need a smaller dose than if you were still drinking. I'd say give it a try anyway.

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                  #38
                  Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                  I know there are others on here who started bac long after becoming sober. Sunny is one. It seems to work brilliantly for the cravings, helping sober people keep their resolve.

                  I believe Dr. A was also AF when he embarked on baclofen and found it to be miraculous because it made him indifferent to alcohol.

                  Like most alcoholics, when I am sober for any period of time, from 3 days to 3 months, most of my waking time is spent on staying sober. It's damn hard work, and it saps me of energy to do other things. Sober at all costs, is how it feels.

                  Gyco says he "never had a problem stopping, it's staying stopped"...

                  I believe that for many sober people, baclofen could offer some relief from that constant, all-consuming battle, and greatly increase the chances of keeping the resolve.
                  Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                  Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                    #39
                    Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                    Nicely stated, beatle. I absolutely agree, and now finally feel alive. I don't have to fight with myself anymore and can get on living... the struggle is over for me now that I'm on Baclofen.

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                      #40
                      Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                      bump

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                        #41
                        Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                        bump
                        BACLOFENISTA

                        baclofenuk.com

                        http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                        Olivier Ameisen

                        In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                          #42
                          Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                          Bump -- all explained
                          Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                          Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                            #43
                            Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                            bmp
                            Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                            Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                              #44
                              Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                              Wowsers, this forum needs stickes! Is there any way to go about getting them, or is it a hopeless case?
                              Having hit the switch, I now post under the username "bleep". Look forward to seeing you on the other side...

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                                #45
                                Dr Olivier Ameisen (part 1 of my message)

                                I am halfway through Dr. A's book and there is very little discussion of his experience of side effects, in fact, he says no side effects compared to Topa, which is the opposite of my experience. I'm completely zoned out and deathly tired all day long on 50mg of Bac, but Topa the effects wore off after a few days but I never went higher than 50mg, and when my hair fell out, I stopped it. I'm still drinking way too much, no decrease yet. With these side effects, I'm not sure I can sustain the bac protocol....

                                But Dr A is a life saver. English is his second language and he does mightily with it considering. Criticism of Dr A's writing style seems petty.

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