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    #1

    the switch again

    i am having the scary and terrible impression that i drink even more when taking bac..it has the devastating effect on me that it somehow gives me the feeling when i take it than one day my problem will be solved and until than i can booze...(and even the bad feelings of quilt are gone)
    i am taking bac now for excatly 2 months and have titrated up to 200mg and although i have a few sober days every now and than i go on the binge and dont have the feeling that i want to stop drinking after 2 or 3 glasses..i am really worried

    is 2 months too short? did i get the dose right? did i titrate to fast? damm it i am really worried it doesnt work for me..and the SEs are not any fun, so pumping in 200mg every day without any sense is worrying too....
    thanks much
    rudolf
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    #2
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    Have you read Dr. A's book? He had to go higher to hit the switch, iirc it was 270.

    Also from what I have read on these forums it can take longer than two months, but it is worth it in the end. I've read people reporting no reduction in craving until they hit the switch. Hang in there rudolf.

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      #3
      the switch again

      thanks for that, i will keep on trying

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        #4
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        rudolf;874738 wrote: is 2 months too short? did i get the dose right? did i titrate to fast? damm it i am really worried it doesnt work for me..and the SEs are not any fun, so pumping in 200mg every day without any sense is worrying too....
        thanks much
        Hi rudolf,

        Getting up to 200mg per day in two months seems very quick to me and may explain your comment "and the SEs are not any fun". Suggest you take a look at:

        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...tml#post835051

        and also:

        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ous-42745.html

        There are other threads dealing with this topic.

         I found another one, which you will find here:

        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...tml#post653298

        Good luck!

        V.
        "Love's the only engine of survival"

        Leonard Cohen

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          #5
          the switch again

          thanks a lot

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            #6
            the switch again

            I pretty much said the same thing in a reply to you on the dosage thread. Sorry for duplication... but since Dr. A had to go to 3.8mg/kg, and you are long from there, it is too early to be at all concerned if bac is going to work or not. The only thing to be careful about is the SEs, and if they are bad, to slow down... be patient. And remember, birdy drank right up to her "switch". She drank 10 beers the night before it happened.

            (and if I remember correctly, she hit the switch at 270mg, and weighed 60kg -- pls correct me if I am wrong!)
            Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

            Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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              #7
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              Hi Rudolf, would realy urge you to stick with it, but its not a magic bullet you have to do a lot of thinking about your drinking and work on the thats as well. Why not set yourself a daily goal of not drinking for one day then drinking the next then graually built it up to two days al and one drikning?. Might be worth a try, when I was tirating up I tried to reduce my drinking as much as I could to give the stuff a chance !

              Stick with it and lots of good advice on here

              BH

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                #8
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                I suggest you try to abstain and see if the bac helps you do that. I and 3 others I know are having success at the 60-100 mg range doing it that way. As someone on this site pointed out it may be easier to feel the switch if you are not still drinking. This medicine works differently than the naltrexone (which works by extinction of the pleasure of drinking). IMO the baclofen gives me the "calm without the high" of alcohol. Good luck. Obviously people's needs are unique. As long as SE are tolerable it seems you can go up slowly. I do not interpret dr A's book to mean drink and take bac till you feel the switch. I, rather read it as try to abstain and see if the bac can help. How much is enough? For me it is enough so that I don't drink.
                Good Luch
                Sunny

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                  #9
                  the switch again

                  thanks all

                  i really appreciate all your advice, i recon that your are spot on and i comitted the grave mistake that i relied too much on the drug and didnt apply any addtional motivation to reach my goal.. the SEs are strong but i still can put in a good days work and i sleep ok, i have to take care to eat properly and in stable frequenz...
                  i will follow up and will apply some good old willpower to stay off, i am sticking to it and i still have some 160 mg/day "open" to get to the 3.6/kg...
                  again, your advice is highly valuable to me

                  i will keep U in the loop

                  thanks
                  rudolf

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                    #10
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                    short update

                    stayed off the booze now for 5 consecutive days and doing pretty well, dosed up again and am now on 275/day which i can cope with pretty well, sleep is not too good, and i have to runt too the loo literally every 30 min...a nuisance but i will live with that....

                    i will report when i am sure that i have hit the switch, my most critical time starts always friday afternoon after work (or during)..if i get through this weekend and the next one (i will keep up this dose) i might be there....

                    thanks for all your support, it helped me a lot
                    rudolf

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                      #11
                      the switch again

                      Rudolf,

                      I have my fingers crossed for you that you are at your switch.

                      I am working on staying AF as I go up now, also. At least I feel physically better and the cravings are much, much less.

                      Thanks for keeping us updated, learning of other's journeys helps us all.

                      Cindi
                      AF April 9, 2016

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                        #12
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                        cinders,
                        please posts your results as you continue your journey, if you can. i have been following your posts for quite some time and find them inspiring,to say the least. i haven't been in that space yet to try bac but i am poaching on your experience and cheering for you. gratitude

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                          #13
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                          rudolf;882802 wrote: stayed off the booze now for 5 consecutive days and doing pretty well, dosed up again and am now on 275/day which i can cope with pretty well, sleep is not too good, and i have to runt too the loo literally every 30 min...a nuisance but i will live with that....

                          i will report when i am sure that i have hit the switch, my most critical time starts always friday afternoon after work (or during)..if i get through this weekend and the next one (i will keep up this dose) i might be there....

                          thanks for all your support, it helped me a lot
                          rudolf
                          Rudolf, if you aren't there, you certainly sound close - stay with it!!

                          -P.
                          Go before that fire there, at the altar of your heart
                          That fire of who you really are and be consumed by it fully
                          Surrender everything into the fire of that love until you are one with that love. You ARE that love.
                          Tilak Pyle Altar of the Heart

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                            #14
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                            i guess i am there!!!

                            dear all

                            i reckon i finally reached it, the long awaited switch, thanks to all of you who encouraged me ..i was on the verge of giving up...
                            at a dose of 275/day i am sober now for excatly one week (i had this before though as i always was a binger with random days between binges) but the disinterest in anything alcoholic is truly amazing, i was watching the worldcup in public viewing spots surounded by tons of beer and nothing could have interested me less..amazing, been to the beach where veryone was indulging on booze, not for me, totally not interested...again amazing..for the first time since childhood i am relaxed, not driven, the pressure of the binging schedule of on and off days which destoyed me and my loved ones is gone, my mind is free, i have time for myself, i do things for myself....

                            i will try to reduce now carefully since the dose of 275 is pretty rough on me, my sleep is very shallow, i wake up at 4am and cant sleep anymore, the dry mouth and nose and a general weird feeling in my intestines are nothing i would need forever..HOWEVER if need be i would take the bloody 275 for the rest of my days..

                            again, thanks to all of you, i wont dissapear from this forum, i will try to help others and will keep u in the loop on developments, now that i am pretty sure i have suceeded i will give dr. A's book and my bac story to my doctor and shrink, i hope they are forwardthinking enough to use it for their patients, as i am sure there are plenty of them...

                            cheers
                            rudolf :thanks:

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                              #15
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                              Rudolf,

                              :goodjob:!!!

                              and a huge thank you for posting.

                              How long did Dr. A stay at his switch dose? I have given my book away and haven't replaced it yet.

                              I, too, am sober a week but am probably nowhere near my switch yet, only 120 mgs/day. I have been hiding out at home and away from booze.

                              Again, great news and very proud of you for sticking it out. This therapy is not as easy as it seems at first. I have seen plenty give up due to the SEs. Like you, I will stay with the SEs if necessary because the SEs from alcohol are much, much, worse.

                              Love,
                              Cindi
                              AF April 9, 2016

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