Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

[B4A]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

A message to AllyB

Thank you for that. If more people did what you do, we would progress so much faster and better.

Brilliant!!!!

Phill

[ignominous]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

I also want a thread with the information easily accessible but I'm happy to wade through all the hugs, lol's and chat to get at it. At least its there to a certain extent. Please help me by being a voice amongst all that noise that is reasoned (not disruptive).
I tihk you may have intimacy issues like I think I have but that is a born again bleeding heart speaking. Email or PM
For sure you'll be damned if you don't. I respect your qualifications. If I can help with any of your personal issues, I will do my best - but I am certainly not qualified.
Somehow, somewhere I know you can help me and us. Publish your results and lets get a handle on this thing called Baclofen.
I read somewhere that some people had asked for a specific section to be allocated to Bac from the MYO organisers. I think you should ask again. Also maybe Beatle (I think) started a site in the Uk devoted to Baclofen, should talk with you Dr Phill (maybe a joint venture).
Don't keep it a secret. Tell us what you talked about with OA and what you agreed about concerning SEs. We want to see, we don't want to wait any more. I've personally been waiting for more than 30 years. Fuck it, enough is enough!
This might be be the world's last or latest people's revolt and if Bac's as good as its promises it's not going to go away. With or without you it's happening. I think some people are concerned that you are setting yourself up as the leader. I personally couldn't care . For me its all wonderland at the moment. I'm thinking ways that I haven't dared to think for 40 years.
Why don't you let someone run the show with you. Dr Phill the voice of reason. The other as the face, I'm sure that you'll agree your'e not the best front man.
You want a thread with easily accessible founded evidence. I applaud you but its not going to happen with your present dogmatic style.
Brave of you to post here. Braver to try a new style.
Just my 20 cents

[B4A]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

I also want a thread with the information easily accessible but I'm happy to wade through all the hugs, lol's and chat to get at it. At least its there to a certain extent. Please help me by being a voice amongst all that noise that is reasoned (not disruptive).
That is all I ever wanted to do. Glad you happy to ‘wade’ through. I don’t see it as wading. I see it as great. It is so valuable. What I am after is different, complimentary and just as valuable. I collate for you. None of us have the time or expertise to do it.
I thihk you may have intimacy issues like I think I have but that is a born again bleeding heart speaking. Email or PM
No intimacy issues. I find talking about stuff really easy. And my past backgrounds make me almost unique to talk to you. I’ve done it hundreds of times over the last year. Maybe to you too.
For sure you'll be damned if you don't. I respect your qualifications. If I can help with any of your personal issues, I will do my best - but I am certainly not qualified.
I don’t need your help, my friend. It all comes with the territory.
Somehow, somewhere I know you can help me and us. Publish your results and lets get a handle on this thing called Baclofen.
Publish what? As Lo0p will tell you, there are no ‘results’. No ‘trials’. No statistics. I got hundreds of anecdotes, and as a scientist, I have tried to work my way through them.
I read somewhere that some people had asked for a specific section to be allocated to Bac from the MYO organisers. I think you should ask again. Also maybe Beatle (I think) started a site in the Uk devoted to Baclofen, should talk with you Dr Phill (maybe a joint venture).
Not sure what you mean here. I thought that they already had.
Don't keep it a secret. Tell us what you talked about with OA and what you agreed about concerning SEs. We want to see, we don't want to wait any more.
I’m damned if I say it. I’m damned if I don’t. There were no secrets. There are MANY side effects of baclofen.
I've personally been waiting for more than 30 years. Fuck it, enough is enough!
This might be be the world's last or latest people's revolt and if Bac's as good as its promises it's not going to go away.

I agree.
With or without you it's happening.
I agree. God help you if it was up to me. I’m just a messenger.
I think some people are concerned that you are setting yourself up as the leader.
I couldn’t lead myself out of my own house. But I have got a lot of this worked out. I really do know a lot about this after the last year.
I personally couldn't care. For me its all wonderland at the moment. I'm thinking ways that I haven't dared to think for 40 years.
I’m thrilled. You should be too.
Why don't you let someone run the show with you. Dr Phill the voice of reason. The other as the face, I'm sure that you'll agree your'e not the best front man.
That assumes I want to run ‘the show’. I’m sober-ish and ok.
Why wouldn’t I be a good front man?
I was for obesity surgery – another chronic disease?
I don’t want to be the ‘face’ of this.
Tell me, what sort of person should be 'your face'? Tell me, because we need one, really quickly or our story will disappear.
You want a thread with easily accessible founded evidence. I applaud you but its not going to happen with your present dogmatic style.
Dogma – what? Do you know what dogma means? What I am advocating is the anti-dogma. Precisely because there isn’t a one size fits all. There isn’t a Dr Phill Programme. There could never be. That’s the point. Don’t you get that?Brave of you to post here. Braver to try a new style.
Just my 20 cents.
Thank you. Please keep in touch
Phill

[ignominous]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

I don't want to get into a pissing contest here.
I agree with most of what you say
You are flying in the face of establishment dogma. Your ideas about how to do this are based upon your considerable experience in the field of science and healthcare and your knowledge of law amongst other things. The principles and opinions upon which you suggest "we" should get the word out are valid. However when they become undisputable they become dogma according to Dr Phill.

[B4A]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

ignominous;964593 wrote: I don't want to get into a pissing contest here.
I agree with most of what you say
You are flying in the face of establishment dogma. Your ideas about how to do this are based upon your considerable experience in the field of science and healthcare and your knowledge of law amongst other things. The principles and opinions upon which you suggest "we" should get the word out are valid. However when they become undisputable they become dogma according to Dr Phill.

Thank you IG
I have no expertise. I'm an alcoholic with a bit of brain left
You and some others have finally got what I been trying to say for ages.
Dogma is awful. but anecdotes become evidence when there's lots of them.
That's what we all need now
Just tell me what you know
All I know is the experiences of those who have told me what they went through.
It hasn't been easy. Don't underestimate what I have gone through to get here.
My friend
I don't do dogma

[crawling_key]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

This is the most confusing and overly dramatic thread I've ever read. Quite entertaining, though - but does anyone actually have a point? ..... about anything ??? Wtf ??:bonkers:

[Cinders]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

As an IT professional, anecdotal experience is what we are paid the big bucks for.

Sometimes it is all we have to go on.

Cindi

[brightlite]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

crawling_key;964685 wrote: This is the most confusing and overly dramatic thread I've ever read. Quite entertaining, though - but does anyone actually have a point? ..... about anything ??? Wtf ??:bonkers:

All I got out of the thread so far was that Dr. A phoned Phil at home..... and Phil got a plug in for his website.

[terryk]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

Phill, you've turned this thread into an infomercial for yourself. You have tremendous gusto to pat yourself on the back with Ignominious' help, but you still haven't answered or even acknowledged *any* of the questions i've posed to you (they're in this thread with ignominious' posts, which you seem to be able to read and respond to): What brands of baclofen are you taking? What was your titration schedule? What is your current dosage? What's been your recent and current alcohol consumption? Also, and more importantly, you claim to have information or a theory that certain types of baclofen may be dangerous ("I thought that you should all know that you should all be very careful" and "Even a good source of Baclofen might not be as good as you thought it was") Don't you think you owe it to the people on this forum to share that information as soon as possible? Why haven't you updated your baclofen diary on your website since April of 2010 (you were just beginning to explain experiencing withdrawal from baclofen, then nothing, no updates...even now)? That's a pretty serious cliffhanger. Lastly, some new questions. Why do *you* have multiple user names on *your* website chat forum? Do you have more than one on MWO? Have you ever? Talk minus action equals ZERO Phill, and you've given us a lot of talk and direction, but ZERO relevant information. If you really wanted to help anyone here you would share some quality, genuine information, not ramble on and on about how qualified and genuine you are. I'm sending this to you via email as well. -tk

p.s. I just realized that you wrote that you probably didn't answer my questions because you don't check MWO that often. WTF? It's *YOUR* thread, why would you start it, if you weren't going to read it?

[startingover]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

Terry, I think you have just hit that huge nail on its huge head.

[hopless]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

Dr phil...is full off shit he charges ?3000 and is a v.v selfish
human.he is going on like he has some secret cure and program
the mans a liar...and has his money placed well before fellow suffers
i hate you dr bad man.

[hopless]

Dr Phill - Baclofen - Tell me what you know

b4a sucks he is a con man full stop.

[Mentium]

Just so people know, he is still at it.

I contacted 'Doctor' Phillip Thomas several months ago and foolishly forwarded him some money as a deposit because I had a trip coming up and I wanted to wait until after the trip to start on his 'programme'. I knew next to nothing about baclofen at the time, except having read the Ameisen book and done a few google searches, which is how I found his site. He had a 'special offer' at the time - half the normal price. This should have set off alarm bells, but I was feeling desperate at the time and baclofen looked like a 'way out'. I feel really dumb about all this and can only say I was vulnerable and he took advantage of me.

In the end I decided to see Dr Chick and go the 'legitimate' route. So I emailed 'Doctor' Phill- and again..and again..and again. Half a dozen times, asking for a return of the deposit. In fact I was willing to forgo it but when I did not so much as receive a response or a note to the effect that deposits were not refundable I realised I had been conned good and proper.

This man's web sight is still up and he is still advertising his wares out there - and I assume, still conning gullible people like me. Gullible and vulnerable.

His website is at: baclofen4alcoholism.com

There is an advert for his book there too (a link). Oddly nobody here seems to have heard of it.

Stay clear of him. I would not be at all surprised if he lurks here even today. I'm not even sure if he has the right to call himself 'doctor'. He is no longer registered with the GMC.

[Otter]

Just so people know, he is still at it.



I contacted 'Doctor' Phillip Thomas several months ago and foolishly forwarded him some money as a deposit because I had a trip coming up and I wanted to wait until after the trip to start on his 'programme'. I knew next to nothing about baclofen at the time, except having read the Ameisen book and done a few google searches, which is how I found his site. He had a 'special offer' at the time - half the normal price. This should have set off alarm bells, but I was feeling desperate at the time and baclofen looked like a 'way out'. I feel really dumb about all this and can only say I was vulnerable and he took advantage of me.



In the end I decided to see Dr Chick and go the 'legitimate' route. So I emailed 'Doctor' Phill- and again..and again..and again. Half a dozen times, asking for a return of the deposit. In fact I was willing to forgo it but when I did not so much as receive a response or a note to the effect that deposits were not refundable I realised I had been conned good and proper.



This man's web sight is still up and he is still advertising his wares out there - and I assume, still conning gullible people like me. Gullible and vulnerable.



His website is at: baclofen4alcoholism.com



There is an advert for his book there too (a link). Oddly nobody here seems to have heard of it.



Stay clear of him. I would not be at all surprised if he lurks here even today. I'm not even sure if he has the right to call himself 'doctor'. He is no longer registered with the BMA.

I know Phill personally. I have met with him in Garstang where he lives. He is, when you meet him, a middle aged respectable looking man who looks like a doctor and is very knowledgeable.



He was suspended from medical practice as a result of being unable to respond to correspondence from a patient over some botox he was doing and the GMC obviously knew he had a drink problem so it then got worse and they struck him off the register because he was so fargone that he couldn't reply to them.



He got onto baclofen, got himself better and set up Baclofen4Alcoholism. He offers a program where he advises people over the phone and email. That's about it.



The problem he has is that for some reason he comes across really badly. I can't quite figure it out because, personally, I like him and we get along. You can get the same help here for free and the general complaint about him is he shouldn't be calling himself a "doctor". I don't know why he does it and I think he is really tempting fate. He was a genuine doctor and a very knowedgeable one but technically, I don't agree with him using that term because it does give the impression he is still on the register. Some people have come here who understand the "register" and say that a doctor doesn't have to be on it anyway.



We went through a patch where he pulled out the stops and really helped us so I have a particular soft spot for him and consider him a good friend. I am sorry people have had a bad experience with him and I can't understand why this happens but he is one of the most knowledgable people around in terms of baclofen use. haven't spoken to him for a year or more so maybe things have gone south for him. Who knows. Good brain, poor bedside manner, lousy businessman maybe.

[Mentium]

..and con artist.