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You are doing such an amazing thing, Susanna and brother and family. Thank you for informing us about your courageous journey.

I have experience with baclofen; not in the way you are using it, but I sincerely believe that you are on a path to find a way out of the pit of despair that comes to those of us who drink and to our families.

Breathe. Keep your ground with what you feel is right. A little beer or wine might not hurt if it calms the situation. You will know if it is time to bring in medical professionals. This is only my point of view, but it there's any way you can keep it together - keep the blood pressure and heart rate relatively safe - you'll be way ahead in a day or two.

Strength and courage, calmness and ease to you all.

[PhoenixRising]

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susanna;974293 wrote: Hi Phoenix - can you tell me what happened when you took 50 mg too much that day?

Electric zings out the fingertips and my body was all jerky (like almost lurching out of the chair). It GAVE me spasticity (the irony!!). Plus sleepy as hell. It lasted about 24 hours.

[susanna]

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Here comes the sun?! For my brother Paul

Hi everyone:

First of all thank you so much for your kind and supportive words; they kept us sane and determined to keep going. I didn't have the strength to answer during the night and frankly didn't know what to report.

It was a tough night for sure. Paul had all the classic SEs and a mostly sleepless night; a lot of moaning, crying out, anger, sadness. It was heart wrenching. I counld'nt get his heartrate down much below 115. It was above 120 at times.

He made it through the night and I think the sun is breaking through!! He's been awake for more than three hours and has not had a drink. He's lucid, and very druggy, but aware of his state, able to watch a bit of TV of a diversion. He still feels miserable. Yesterday he took a total of 340 mgs of bac between 7:30 am and 10:30 pm over 11 doses; 1 hour apart - 30 mgs per dose (first dose was 40 mgs).

BTW: He's a 40 year old; 80 kg, pretty strong guy so that may have a role to play in why he could go so high so quickly.

So today the dosage has been and plan is:

5:00 am; 30 mg
7:30 am; 30 mg
8:30 am; 25 mg
and hourly 25 mgs for the rest of day up to 360 or so-ish depending on his level of cravings.

As per Otter's note we will focus on keeping the cravings pushed out; if his cravings emerge we will increase the hourly dose.

I will keep you all posted on what transpires today.

Much warmth,
Susan

[ignominous]

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Glad things are looking up.

Make sure you get some rest. If there is a crisis you want to be all there.

I would just suggest that you make sure he is getting some B1 (thiamin) and probably B12.............. to be on the safe side. It sounds like he's going in for a fast detox, Bac helps, make sure you don't run out.

I"d be making a video for posterity!

[Lo0p]

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Phew! Glad you are all okay!

Is he trying not to drink or does he not want to?

And to answer your earlier question: I think I stayed on 300 for a couple of weeks and titrated down to 150. I decided that was too low and came back up to 200. I've been around there ever since. All the while always allowing myself to drink whenever I wanted to because I also practice TSM. It's been going extremely well for me and I'm hitting my one year mark sometime this month.

[Otter]

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Hi

I just sent you a post. If he gets too wound up he might just need a drink. You don't want to undo everything by taking him off the drink too quickly. There are physiological problems with coming off too quickly. Don't worry. As long as you keep up the Baclofen he can drink and it will decline with time. Dont' get too caught up in keeping him totally abstinent right away. Let him drink and let the Baclofen do the job of stopping him which it will. Look at Lo0ps graph. He did not stop straight away. Just keep track of how much Bac he is taking and how much he is drinking.

Also, there is a good two day detox formula in Seven Weeks to Sobriety which relies heavily on L glutamine and various vitamins to control symptoms of withdrawal and repair his system/stomach lining etc. The drink and the high level of Baclofen should mean he calms down fairly quickly and you can resume the dosage. Take it easy at this point and try not to get frustrated. It is early days. It is a battle and you have to break the addiction but don't fight against his craving or argue with him. It is not worth it and you cannot win. The physical side of the addiction is too painful and uncontrollable to make him go completely off straight away and you don't want to discourage him by making him feel the treatment is worse than the disease.

I hope this all works. I am not much further ahead. Sleeplessness, anger etc. return to drink and up and down dosages. It is a headache. Hang in there.

I wish I was still where you are so I could come round and be some support. It is very lonely over here right now.

[susanna]

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Hi Otter:
Thank you for this - and I read your PM too - very helpful. Will read the Seven Weeks and get the formula.

The nice thing about the internet and this forum is that we can support each other. I will share my observations with you and the people here and hope that helps.

Sending the strength and courage your way,
Susan

Otter;976071 wrote: Hi

I just sent you a post. If he gets too wound up he might just need a drink. You don't want to undo everything by taking him off the drink too quickly. There are physiological problems with coming off too quickly. Don't worry. As long as you keep up the Baclofen he can drink and it will decline with time. Dont' get too caught up in keeping him totally abstinent right away. Let him drink and let the Baclofen do the job of stopping him which it will. Look at Lo0ps graph. He did not stop straight away. Just keep track of how much Bac he is taking and how much he is drinking.

Also, there is a good two day detox formula in Seven Weeks to Sobriety which relies heavily on L glutamine and various vitamins to control symptoms of withdrawal and repair his system/stomach lining etc. The drink and the high level of Baclofen should mean he calms down fairly quickly and you can resume the dosage. Take it easy at this point and try not to get frustrated. It is early days. It is a battle and you have to break the addiction but don't fight against his craving or argue with him. It is not worth it and you cannot win. The physical side of the addiction is too painful and uncontrollable to make him go completely off straight away and you don't want to discourage him by making him feel the treatment is worse than the disease.

I hope this all works. I am not much further ahead. Sleeplessness, anger etc. return to drink and up and down dosages. It is a headache. Hang in there.

I wish I was still where you are so I could come round and be some support. It is very lonely over here right now.

[susanna]

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Since the morning he has had about 5 beers, no vodka and we are not trying to stop him - in fact we are offering it because of the withdrawals of last night. Want to avoid a repeat of that.

He will likely need to be at a much higher dose than 300 to hit his switch - we went to 340 yesterday and today may go a higher.

A more detailed recounting of the day will follow in a couple of hours.

Lo0p;976069 wrote: Phew! Glad you are all okay!

Is he trying not to drink or does he not want to?

And to answer your earlier question: I think I stayed on 300 for a couple of weeks and titrated down to 150. I decided that was too low and came back up to 200. I've been around there ever since. All the while always allowing myself to drink whenever I wanted to because I also practice TSM. It's been going extremely well for me and I'm hitting my one year mark sometime this month.

[Lo0p]

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It took me until the 3rd day at 300 before I finally didn't want to drink. I drank whenever I wanted to. I'm 77 kg and a very strong guy @ 5'9". But remember Ameisen's study said that dose wasn't dependent on sex or weight.

Finally by day 3 @ 300 I just remember looking at the bottle and thinking "hmm... I could drink, but I'd have to get myself up off the couch, walk over there, pour a glass and actually drink it..." and then faded off to sleep...

I posted about it here, sans some detail: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ays-38663.html

[susanna]

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couch potatoe

Thank you for making me smile, and for this important data point!

We'll keep offering him beer!

Lo0p;976120 wrote: It took me until the 3rd day at 300 before I finally didn't want to drink. I drank whenever I wanted to. I'm 77 kg and a very strong guy @ 5'9". But remember Ameisen's study said that dose wasn't dependent on sex or weight.

Finally by day 3 @ 300 I just remember looking at the bottle and thinking "hmm... I could drink, but I'd have to get myself up off the couch, walk over there, pour a glass and actually drink it..." and then faded off to sleep...

I posted about it here, sans some detail: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ays-38663.html

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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Susanna, I'm so happy for you all that it's working. !:l

[inde72]

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? (ganbatte ne!)(japanese) It's kind of like, "good luck!", "do your best!"


いみる (my name, don't ask…)

[susanna]

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The latest update: Paul day 2 of Otter Method

Ok so here we are at the witching hour for my brother - 7 pm Toronto time.

So far today he's had 10 beer and thrown up twice (starting consuming approx 11 am - so just over 1 per hour).

He's up to 340 mgs bac as of 7 pm; same level he got to last night. He may take a couple more doses in the remaining hours before the brutal sleepless night kicks in. This time we'll try valerian and melatonin to see if it assists in sleep.

He's been uncomfortable and restless but definitely more calm, clear thinking and rational than yesterday or any day in the past couple weeks. Has brief conversations, watching TV, mini-nodding off - almost falls asleep but then bolts awake again.

We're watching his symptoms - want to avoid sudden crash of his system from too quick a reduction of alcohol intake (thank you again Otter and LoOP and all my expert advisors for the tips you provided last night).:thanks:

More in a couple of hours.

Susan

[Sunnyvalenting]

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GET A DOCTOR

[susanna]

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hey everyone - if you want to send any messages to my brother I can read them out to him. I've been telling him that he's got a group of people here that are sending good vibes his way.