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[Publius]

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Removed at the advice of a friend

[Sunnyvalenting]

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Please refer me to the link wherein a doctor is recommending these high doses for acute detox. I am fairly familiar with the literature on this medicine and have not come across anything like this approach. I am concerned that people are under the impression that just because Paul didn't die of an overdose of bac that it is a good idea to do this. I know we are all breaking new ground here but I think we should maintain an abundance of caution and respect for this drug and the medical emergency of DTs. Yes bac has been shown to help with DTs but the studies I am familiar with are at much lower doses.
Even Ameisesn who ultimately went to 270/day or so did so quite slowly and with careful monitoring. As far as I can tell there was no medical evaluation on Paul. Was there monitoring of pulse, blood pressure etc. I am very glad he seems to be doing better but I also cringe to think of some of the other possible outcomes.
Furthermore we need to remember that everyone here is trying to give their best to help one another. We shouldn't have such thin skins that we attack a contributor with an alternate view. Take it in stride it might be just the thing someone needs to hear. If it doesn't fit for you then let say so without calling names or put downs.

Good Luck
Sinny

[Sunnyvalenting]

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sunny!LOL

[susanna]

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agree to disagree

I'm not giving advice here. I'm sharing what we are learning in the spirit of this forum and in particular this thread. Just as we did before embarking on this approach, people here need to do their own reseach and formulate their own program, with, or without (as most people are forced to do) a doctor.

I'm not an amateur in the field of medical withdrawal protocols either. We did our research, (there's an abundance of data points on this thread alone). We formed a plan, proceeded, monitored everything closely. Now happy to share and add to the collective knowledge.

I'm not here to debate philosophies. I'm very comfortable with sharing opinions, assuming it goes in both directions. The point is to have as many people succeed as possible, the word to spread out to our communities around the world, so that addiction treatment industry can evolve out of the Middle Ages, and the needless suffering can finally be stemmed.

That's what I stand for. I vote for moving on. Another Paul update in the morning, Toronto time.

[AllyB]

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Susan, where are you getting the pills from? Have you ordered them online? If so what sort of reserve have you in order to continue the high dosages over the next few weeks/months. After everything Paul has gone through the last thing he'll need is to have to titrate down fast if your supply is delayed. I don't know where you are ordering from if you are ordering online but if it's from Europe you should give yourself an extra week or two to receive any deliveries. Both Greece and Spain, where the bac is sent from as it's OTC there, are experiencing strikes , work-to-rules and protests so there are delays in the postal system. (Sorry if you have a script or a more local source.)

I think what you are doing is great and your brother is lucky to have you. My husband has just started a more "normal" bac dosage but it's great to see how alternative approaches are working. My uncle's partner has a severe alcohol and drug problem and I'm wondering if something Paul's regime would help her.

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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This post likewise deleted by the resident "AA monkey" and potential killer of innocent addicts, except for the really important part:

I'll tell you what would make me feel better - call someone who does know. Dr. Levin's home number is 312-642-5803.

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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susanna;977460 wrote: I'm very comfortable with sharing opinions, assuming it goes in both directions.

You can probably see how that statement does not accurately reflect my experience.

[AllyB]

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Topsy-Turvy-Tracy;977645 wrote: And you are not going to know when he hits his switch because . . . he doesn't have a brain. Don't believe it - you pop 370 mg of baclofen today and let's see if how "active" a participant you are?

There have been posters on here who have gone beyond that dosage of their own accord and by using their own decision making processes to decide to go up to that level. KTB an average height woman went up to 360mg by herself and hit the switch there which she was aware of. Kabeck and manlooking4nothing at 400mg, Wort at 380mg. Diferent people have different tolerances. You've posted that you feel awfully tired at 20mg a day while my husband is took 70mg in his first 17 and a half hours and just feels chilled out.

Susan has described how her brother was watering the garden and watching tv yesterday so it sounds as if he still has a decent hold on his cognitive ability. He mightn't be up for quantum physics but I think he can probably judge if he feels he wants another pill or not.

The one thing I've taken away from this forum is that there is a HUGE range of reactions to bac, possibly related to physical size, alcohol intake before and during beginning dosage and the physical and mental state of the taker. So no one person's experiences can be used to guess how someone else might be doing. The only common factor appears to be that in an awful lot of cases, it works.

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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Publius;977410 wrote: It was intimated to me in a different thread that she is an AA monkey, and those washed brains are hard to get cleaned...hell some of them actually believe this psychobabble that they have a behavioral shortcoming.

:rolleyesmonkey:

I cannot think of a thing that I've ever posted regarding that mentality that does directly contradict your attribution of it to me. Can you please point out the post to which you are referring, Publius?

[Lo0p]

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Tracy, I've sent you a PM... :loveyou:

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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AllyB;977665 wrote: There have been posters on here who have gone beyond that dosage of their own accord and by using their own decision making processes to decide to go up to that level. KTB an average height woman went up to 360mg by herself . . .

Not in a 48-hour period she didn't! I'm following KTB too and am delighted for her. And I think her post also serves as a warning about the SEs of such a high dose, which is good too! I understand that people are excited, I completely get and share in the hope that baclofen offers. I also think that it's good to acknowledge that we ain't popping Pez here.

[Lo0p]

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Susanna,

Make sure that he has lots of non-alcoholic drinks around too! Just so that he has options. You can get creative. I'm sure some homemade hot chocolate with whipped cream just might sound really good up there this time of year. Or whatever else you think he might like.

[susanna]

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Thanks LoOp - the hot choco sounds good to me too! He's been drinking a lot of Gatorade too. And tonnes of water. He made his own dinner last night - has a wicked appetitie.

It's a bright sunshiny day here in Toronto - maybe we'll go for a walk in the autumn leaves later today.

Lo0p;977703 wrote: Susanna,

Make sure that he has lots of non-alcoholic drinks around too! Just so that he has options. You can get creative. I'm sure some homemade hot chocolate with whipped cream just might sound really good up there this time of year. Or whatever else you think he might like.

[susanna]

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Thanks to y'all

Thanks Ally - we've got 7 weeks supply at the moment at the top end dosage (we were stockpiling for any eventualilty). But we do need to order more and get the moving next week. Thanks for the reminder!

I'll keep updating on Paul for those who find it helpful. It's Day 4 so far it's good - he's sleeping and has been for a several hours after an insomniac night.

Thanks for all the positive PMs from people last night too (my mailbox filled up overnight!).


Warm regards,
Susa

AllyB;977592 wrote: Susan, where are you getting the pills from? Have you ordered them online? If so what sort of reserve have you in order to continue the high dosages over the next few weeks/months. After everything Paul has gone through the last thing he'll need is to have to titrate down fast if your supply is delayed. I don't know where you are ordering from if you are ordering online but if it's from Europe you should give yourself an extra week or two to receive any deliveries. Both Greece and Spain, where the bac is sent from as it's OTC there, are experiencing strikes , work-to-rules and protests so there are delays in the postal system. (Sorry if you have a script or a more local source.)

I think what you are doing is great and your brother is lucky to have you. My husband has just started a more "normal" bac dosage but it's great to see how alternative approaches are working. My uncle's partner has a severe alcohol and drug problem and I'm wondering if something Paul's regime would help her.

[muchthought]

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Susan -
That's wonderful how things are going! I'm glad you and your brother are determined to see this through, and have obviously researched and prepared for this. I'm so very thankful you are taking the time to share with all of us.