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[ignominous]

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He told you he was going to drink I guess. Unless he drank the vodka in the off-license. He just wanted it to be a 'fait accompli'.

[AllyB]

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ignominous;978936 wrote: He told you he was going to drink I guess. Unless he drank the vodka in the off-license. He just wanted it to be a 'fait accompli'.

No he didn't. He told me he had no real cravings then shot off to buy it while I was shopping. Then he drank half before I got back and another half while I was walking the dogs. I only found out when I slipped on the bottle that was partially sticking out from under the couch and fell, slamming my side into the step between the kitchen and livingroom. I was seriously pissed off when I saw what I'd slipped on, because I'm in an awful lot of pain, and much more so when he denied that the bottle existed, told me it was not a vodka bottle and I was crazy. We did not have a good night in the B household last night.

At 4.45am he woke me up looking for his glasses. I found them for him (he can't see to find his glasses if he doesn't have his glasses) but the lense was missing out of one. He couldn't find his spares, so we had to hunt for the missing lense. It took about 50 minutes during which time I found another vodka bottle which he this time admitted existed and said he'd drank twice as much as I thought last night. (So 16 units and 130mg of bac). He took some more bac and we went to bed where he said he felt intensely stoned and enjoyed the sensation of feeling the callouses on one foot with the other foot as it was very cool. This morning he got up for work, sat on the couch and fell straight back asleep. I woke two hours later and heard him puking violently. He decided to go into work for a few hours as he needed to oversee something. But he's still feeling like crap and after being caught puking into a plastic bag by his boss has been sent home.

One day I'm going to write a movie about all of this and the critics will say it is too stupid and unbelievable to have happened.

[inde72]

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AllyB — any traction from the bac yet?

[AllyB]

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Not sure, he's taken 90, 130 and 160mg (today would have been 180mg but he puked up the last 2 almost instantly) over the last three days. He describes that he is feeling an awful lot better emotionally, he still has cravings but the edge is off them and he feels more relaxed. Although he's had a few of bouts of being horrible sick due to the drinking last night. Other than that the SEs are minimal.

[ignominous]

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AllyB

I thought I made a follow up post with the fatuous comment that you should slip some more Bac in his soup.

Could have been construed as inflammatory or irresponsible so it was either taken off by the moderators or I didn't post due to 'discretion being the better part of valour'

The point I was making is that you seem to have a good deal of give and take with your other half so maybe he needs to increase his dose as Inde subsequently alluded to.

[ignominous]

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Also

He's only been on Bac for 3 days and already he's on high dosage.

I think what Inde was suggesting is maybe wait for the Bac to kick in. Or even reduce the dose. I must admit that sometimes I can't take these posts as seriously as they might merit. I shall remember in the future to limit my flippant comments to where they cannot be misconstrued.

Why has he started on such a high dose?

[Seethepony]

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Oh dear, sounds like a chaotic time at your house. Also sounds like your husband's heart isn't really into this, which kind of dooms this attempt to failure.

May I suggest you postpone this bid for sobriety? Clearly your chap will realise that work+vodka+baclofen do not mix and if he's half the alcoholic he seems to be he will sooner remove baclofen from the equation than anything else.

Do you have any holiday time in the near future? Or a long weekend? I would suggest trying again, at a slower, more relaxed pace - this time without any booze, as, in my experience, baclofen needs a day or two sobriety to do its magic.

As far as I know, baclofen is the only thing in the world that can definitely help reduce or eliminate alcoholic instincts; you really should give it a proper chance. If you stuff it down your husband's throat he will very likely throw in the towel prematurely and under the circumstances I wouldn't blame him.

So maybe, back off, relax, try again... and not necessarily on heroic quantities of baclofen - 70 mg is enough for me to stop drinking, after a 2 bottles of wine+beer daily habit.

And - just out of curiosity - why did he need his glasses at 4.45 am?!

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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Doesn't it seem like common sense that if a person is vomiting on a med, they are taking too much of it? With baclofen, vomiting is a symptom of overdose.

[inde72]

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ignominous;979615 wrote: Also

I think what Inde was suggesting is maybe wait for the Bac to kick in.

Nah, I was more curious to the response time; how long does a high dose require to have effect.

[ignominous]

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And another thing Ally

Are you sure he's actually taking the Bac, not just giving you a performance?

[AllyB]

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's taking the bac. He's taking them of his own volition. I just think the lying to me and sneaking drinks thing, is so deeply ingrained that it's an "addiction" all by itself. He's taking them in the amounts he's choosing, I'm just reporting it.

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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I wasn't accusing you of anything Ally. Going on suddenly high doses seems like a set up for aversion therapy - the aversion being to baclofen, which would not be helpful to me.

[AllyB]

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The thing is he isn't feeling much by way of SEs. This morning he said his hands were feeling a bit tingly so I suggested that he doesn't increase his dosage for a while. The getting sick isn't that unusual for him and used to be a constant feature when he was drinking very heavily last year.

I do wish it was a better time for him to do this as regards to his work but he's been doing these hours for weeks and was struggling horribly between drinking and going AF but feeling tense and ill from cravings. The weekend after next is the October bank holiday here but there is no guarantee he won't have to work.

The big problem with all this is that he is a contract worker and showed up for work extremely drunk fairly early into this job. So his AL problems all came out, since then he's felt he has to keep everything in work absolutely perfect or his reputation will be shot. He loves his job, it's a major vocation to him and it's one of the most competitive industries there is. He does seem to really want this to work and possibly Sunday was a type of test on his part. Though obviously I can't say what's really going on in his head. I've suggested he be the one to post here rather than me so hopefully he'll take this over at some point, and sooner rather than later.

But in the meantime I'm going to keep on posting it as there is so much trial and error in how people are working this drug for this reason that it's important for as much info as possible to be collected. Even if it turns out to be a "what not to do" for others.

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

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AllyB;979949 wrote: The thing is he isn't feeling much by way of SEs.

I'm skeptical because when I've read this before, at the *sudden* dosages involved here, it's never been by the person taking the med. So, here is what I propose - Ally, you take 90 mg of bacofen today, take 130 tomorrow and 160 the next. Then you can report back, first-hand, what the effects are. I predict that you won't get through it. You will stop taking it because you will be so very ill. I predict that you won't get past 40 mg.

I think this is a great regimen caretakers. You want your loved one to do it and you believe it is safe, great. You go first. I think there is wisdom in the idea. And it's fair, isn't it?

* * edited to add "sudden"

[AllyB]

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Topsy-Turvy-Tracy;980097 wrote: I'm skeptical because when I've read this before, at the *sudden* dosages involved here, it's never been by the person taking the med. So, here is what I propose - Ally, you take 90 mg of bacofen today, take 130 tomorrow and 160 the next. Then you can report back, first-hand, what the effects are. I predict that you won't get through it. You will stop taking it because you will be so very ill. I predict that you won't get past 40 mg.

I think this is a great regimen caretakers. You want your loved one to do it and you believe it is safe, great. You go first. I think there is wisdom in the idea. And it's fair, isn't it?

* * edited to add "sudden"

You are crossing a line again Tracy. He's taking these drugs of his own accord and working a very demanding job while doing so. He has the tablets with him at his workplace and takes them as he decides. He feels very little by way of side effects. You seem to be on some sort of crusade and may have already chased one person off the boards. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it's coming from a good place but it's having the opposite effect.

As it happens I have temporomandibular joint disorder and have been prescribed baclofen in the past for it, in reasonably high doses. (Between 60-90mg a day and I'm about 56lbs lighter than my husband.) It's made me feel like I do the day after I've taken 2mg of Xanax for flying - like I'm wrapped up in a lovely mobile bubble bath. (And also wonderful because I can talk an eat without my jaw popping.) I've also taken it alongside codeine for the TMJ migraines, as once the migraine sets in nothing else will take it away. That makes me feel fine as long as I'm stationary but gives me leg wobbles when I walk around. I could easily take more bac if necessary, it's far preferable to the pain from the TMJ. And I also suspect however bad my husband may end up feeling on bac it'll be a hell of a lot better than he felt when his liver and kidneys failed back in January and e came within a fw hours of dying. (And yes he had a full examination of his kidneys and was told they were fully recovered before he decided to try this drug.)