Sobriety. Whatever that is.

[ignominous]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Ig2: They're having a similar discussion over on the general forum WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Ig1: I tend to think that if your heart is in the right place then any input is good input but I will try to cut down on the f@W#ing a bit. Its not very helpful for a lot of people and demonstrates my tenuous of grasp of the English language. However if I really can't think of a better way to express myself I will resort to expletives, even offensive ones.
We've also got too many discussions going on don't you think

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

I've spent the last hour on the side effects and adverse reactions thread. Ouch. I can't be comforted by the posts, since so many have found the SEs to be intolerable. And it feels like so few are succeeding.
Is this about managiing SEs, managing AL or managing the.... what? Underlying issue? And isn't the point of baclofen that it eliminates the need for alcohol???

[37degrees]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

My understanding is that there is no good data on the success rates of any of the newer, basically self-prescribed, medication-based treatments for alcoholism. They are probably mildly effective, and thus worth trying. On the other hand it shouldn't be too surprising if none of the methods work.

[ignominous]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Sage and slightly disconcerting words 37

[ignominous]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Ig2: What the fuck
Ig1: Calm down
Ig2: You fucking sage out you self professed wanker. I'm fucking fed up with this shit as it is and now it's not even going to do anything. I'm going on a bender
Ig1: So it doesn't do any thing. At worse your a couple of thousand dollars shorter
Ig2: Like your Warren Buffett
Ig1: Point taken but we might as well find out for ourselves.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Not a fan of 37's cheeriness. No offense 37. The point is, is it going to work for me? And that is greatly influenced by me...

So what, ig? You're going to throw in the towel? At 240? You don't need an excuse to go on a bender, or at least I don't. I don't envy you the hangover.

What specifically threw me on the SEs thread was the last post about the eyes, being wobbly vs. fixed. Which helps to explain my difficulty driving. And I thought I was just nuts. Wish I'd known.
I've gone up to 60. Don't feel so bad, I don't think. Hands and feet numb, and weirdly, left elbow hurts and is weak but has been for a couple of weeks.

It's gonna work. Hope it's a good day.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

And plenty of anecdotal evidence that it does actually work, ftr.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

and all that scientific stuff that 37 and loop had a discussion about....
lol
how's the connection?

[beatle]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

neva eva;1003453 wrote: and all that scientific stuff that 37 and loop had a discussion about....

I missed that discussion. Where can I find it?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Beatle, it was about nal, actually.
Naltrexone is working for me thread. Last couple of pages. Of course, as I know you know, but for others the bac stuff is on the holy grail, Consolidated Baclofen Thread.
Are you still taking it?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

"if you are saying Bac is very addictive, I think that might be a misunderstanding of the meaning "addictive".

Yes, you need to taper off Bac if you have been taking it for a long time, especially if you have been taking high doses. This is because it does affect your nervous system, as I understand it.

But addiction means that you crave something, and can't rid yourself of the physical craving. I think addiction also usually includes a development of tolerance, meaning you have to continually increase your dose to achieve the desired effects over time. I believe this does not happen with Bac. In fact, according to Dr. A, and the subsequent research, after reaching the "switch-off" point, the dosage required goes down, not up.

There are many medications -- in fact most, I suspect -- that if taken long-term, should not be terminated abruptly. Baclofen, being an anti-seizure medication, would certainly seem a high risk medication to quit cold-turkey. However, I do not think this necessarily qualifies it as being addictive."

Don't know how to copy from one thread to another yet.
This seemed relevant to one of our discussions. Beatle wrote it in the SEs thread. Page 11, in August 2009.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

pms are full.

[37degrees]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Yeah, I'm a real ray of sunshine at parties too

Since I am taking NAL myself, consistent with the "Sinclair Method", obviously I think that NAL may help. But I am clear-eyed about the process. The natural course of alcoholism is that it waxes and wanes, and a certain number will respond to any treatment, including the admonition to just do your best - no meds, no therapy. So it is very hard to conclude anything from anecdotal successes.

The posters here seem mostly level-headed and realistic in their expectations. I don't see the massive denials, woolly-headed "science", and over-the-top cheerleading I saw on another board.

As I reported in another thread, I don't really notice a big difference into my third month of NAL. I will probably try BAC next, though the reported SE are such that I will schedule a couple of months off work.

[guardian]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

Why take off work? The 'anecdotes' putting you off?

[37degrees]

Sobriety. Whatever that is.

guardian;1003899 wrote: Why take off work? The 'anecdotes' putting you off?

Nice one.

The SE's are listed in the standard drug blurp, and I have also encountered people on BAC for non-AL indications. Unfortunately, I have to be alert and cognitively-engaged in my job, and I don't want to risk being otherwise while at work. So, if I do start BAC, I will likely take some time off. This will also allow me to escalate the dose more rapidly.