Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

[guardian]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

Ig,

Thank you. I'm grateful that it's appreciated. I remember when I was miserable, reading about others' successes would occasionally put me off. I'm glad that I can contribute.

T-T-T

I can email you the e-book if you'd like. It's a pretty bare-bones diet. I call it "protein sparing starvation', because the only thing you're really allowed to eat is protein, and just enough to keep from losing lean bodyweight.

Works like a charm though.

Isolde, thanks.

Yup. It's a better antidepressant than a hefty dose of anti-psychotics, without all the ensuing mania and uncontrollable compulsions.

I went to the bar with my fiance the other night. She ordered a margarita, I a 32 oz bud because that was the cheapest beer. I had a drink of her margarita and what I enjoyed wasn't the alcohol, it was the salt on the rim. I was so busy talking to her and the bartender that had forgotten about the beer. I took a sip, set it down. I tasted hops; it was good, but I quickly forgot about it again. It wasn't until my fiance had finished her drink and asked for mine that I remembered it was right under my nose.

I've never been the confident, talkative and social type. In the past I'd sit there quietly with my nose in my beer. My girl would be pissed at me all night and most of the next day because I basically pulled her out of there by her elbow so I could get home and drink myself into oblivion. People are noticing the change in me. I've gotta think this will help me professionally.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a little choked-up on the drive home. I just can't believe that I'm going to be able to live, no thrive, for the rest of my life without the itch. It's wonderful.

-Ian

[Lo0p]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

That's totally me at a bar. I was at a wedding last weekend and a girl bought me a bud light. I tipped the bartender $10 to keep it in the fridge for me and he pulled it out so I could take a sip from it anytime anybody asked me if I needed a drink. It was all I could do to keep from people buying me drinks all night long. He kept me in club soda's on the rocks with lime too. :H

I've read a lot of Lyle's stuff. He's a sharp guy even if he is a scrawny little bastard. Because of him I decided I wasn't going to be duped anymore and only follow diets with scientific evidence to back them up. He's eventually what led me over to Martin Berkhan's Leangains, which is what I'm doing now.

[inheritmylife]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

Loop,

The club soda is a good idea; nobody knows the better.

I've been following his fasting protocol for about 6 months now. I love how most of the feeding window calories are PWO so you can just pig out. I'll even close the window to 6 or even 4 hours to get better nutrient partitioning on a cut. Good stuff. Glad to see another MWOer shares the same dieting philosophy. Saw on the training thread you were doing 275x20 on back squats. That's friggin ridiculous dude! Kudos to you.

[guardian]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

inheritmylife;986399 wrote: Loop,

The club soda is a good idea; nobody knows the better.

I've been following his fasting protocol for about 6 months now. I love how most of the feeding window calories are PWO so you can just pig out. I'll even close the window to 6 or even 4 hours to get better nutrient partitioning on a cut. Good stuff. Glad to see another MWOer shares the same dieting philosophy. Saw on the training thread you were doing 275x20 on back squats. That's friggin ridiculous dude! Kudos to you.

Loop,

this was me. I accidentally signed in under that name. It's a handle I use on other boards, sorry.

-Ian

[Lo0p]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

This was one of my day off (no training) meals last week:



That's a 12" ruler! I had to put it all on a serving platter because it wouldn't fit on one of my extra large dinner plates! :H

353g top blade steak (flat iron)(weight raw) can't really see it because it's buried under sauteed bells, onions, passila peppers and elephant garlic
92g chicken breast (weight cooked)
45g bacon (weight cooked)
Broccoli
Lettuce and yellow tomatoes, all produce was fresh from my garden. (edit: except the broccoli, I'll start getting broccoli out of my garden in the next couple months here.)

It all came in at like ~114g protein and ~45g fat, and I didn't count the carbs because I never do from veggies. That's a bare minimum of 861 calories without counting any of the kcals from the veggies. And this meal is to help me burn fat!

I wasn't doing those 4x20 squats at 275, I think I got up to 225. Now I backed off a little bit down to 195 and I'm doing 12 rep ATG squats nice and slow cuz' I think my bum's been a little neglected here lately...no pics sry :H

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

On a low-carb diet board that I used to post on, one poster advised people who stalled to eat more. I thought that she was a couple carbs short of an Atkins meal! But it apparently worked for a lot of people, who started losing weight again when their intake increased.

[Anna B]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

I've lost 22 pounds in the last 3 months. I take 80-120mg bac/day. I also have been working out and (roughly) following Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle diet. I've never felt better in my life--which is huge motivation to stay sober and keep taking bac. I've had to buy all new clothes!!

I don't know if the bac had anything to do w/ my weight loss. It's probably more due to exercise, diet and not taking in an extra 800 calories/day of booze.

[Anna B]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

I should mention that I'm not really "dieting" as much as I'm just eating a lot better and it's not that hard. When I was drinking a ton, I was in the f**k it mentality and had cravings for crappy food. Now I don't have those cravings anymore--which could be also due to bac.

[Lo0p]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

Tom Venuto is the shiznit! :bow

Although I don't follow his type of eating style anymore, I can vouch for the fact that it definitely gets results. He is one of the few universally respected professionals in the business. He doesn't propagate myths, snake oil or any of that crap ('cept so-called "clean" eating, but I can't blame him for that yet) and he has my utmost respect.

He is a dying breed in that he is a natural bodybuilder and has never done steroids. He is living proof of what you can accomplish through hard work and sheer determination. As such he is definitely one of my idols.

[Lo0p]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

Lo0p;988686 wrote: it definitely gets results.

It's a helluva lot more than just that though. If anybody ever wants to lose fat the right way, and not be one of the 90% of people that gain it ALL back, this is how you do it.

It's also how you lose FAT and not just weight, or water. In the end you might weigh a couple of pounds more but you'll look sexy and lean and not skinny but still fat. I did that once, I lost 50 pounds and weighed next to nothing but I still had a high BF% and looked fat in the mirror. It's because I didn't do it the right way.

[Anna B]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

Lo0p;988694 wrote: It's a helluva lot more than just that though. If anybody ever wants to lose fat the right way, and not be one of the 90% of people that gain it ALL back, this is how you do it.

That is SO true, LoOp. I wanted to make a lifestyle change that would get rid of body fat, put on muscle, and have it actually LAST. So far it's only been 3 months but honestly it's been so easy that I can't see any good reason why I would stop following BFFM. I'm actually going to start making some modifications so I can stop losing weight (I'm 5'8 and down to size 2). I've been doing the low carb cycling thing where you eat relatively low carb for 3 days (it's NOT Atkins or anything and the carbs you eat are all high-fiber, good ones) and then carbo load for one day. I'll probably modify that and I'll also probably go easy on the morning fasted cardio. LoOp--do you think that's a good way to modify or just do one at a time? Would love to hear your thoughts... :thanks:

--Anna

[Sunnyvalenting]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

as of this morning I am down 37+ pounds in the past 41/2 months of exercise and healthy diet. I agree not drinking 800 calories of booze/day helps.
sunny

[Lo0p]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study





Do you guys see the resemblance? Really? Really?!? cuz I don't :H

Anna B;988741 wrote: I'll probably modify that and I'll also probably go easy on the morning fasted cardio. LoOp--do you think that's a good way to modify or just do one at a time? Would love to hear your thoughts... :thanks:
Fasted morning cardio is a great technique for cutting. I used it on the cut pictured above (45 minutes fasted AM LISS, 7 days/week). But it's also a great way to burn out if you're trying to transition into more of a lifestyle approach.

Transitioning from dieting to maintaining is actually a difficult thing to do. I think you've got the right idea though. I dropped the AM cardio completely and started enjoying my forbidden foods a LOT more. Although I did quite well eating them on the way down too, that may have been just me.

Main thing is to just try a few things and watch the results. You could probably do both of those at the same time. Don't freak out if you gain a few pounds in the few days following a change, as it's likely all water. Just keep tabs on your weight, but also remember that scale weight is not the be all end all indicator of forward or backward progress. I find the mirror to be a lot more telling.

I think I weighed 170 in the before picture above and 160ish in the after picture. But I weigh 170-175 now but I still look like I do when I weighed 160, just bigger. I've also weighed 155 before and looked much worse than I did in the before picture above. It's all about leanness and BF%, NOT WEIGHT. You know that though (I think I'm talking more to everyone else).

And lastly, don't freak out if you get sidetracked for a week or two (or even a month). You haven't lost all that you've worked for. You'll be surprised how fast you spring back after eating a horseload of crappy food and not exercising for a while.

Oh and don't stop lifting no matter what! You know that too, though if you're following BFFM. It's good to always have goals. Once you've hit your target weight then relative strength is a good goal.


Sunnyvalenting;988743 wrote: as of this morning I am down 37+ pounds in the past 41/2 months of exercise and healthy diet. I agree not drinking 800 calories of booze/day helps.
sunny

Okay girl! You are certainly rockin' it! :goodjob:

Every time you post though you have lost even more weight. Do you have a goal in mind? When does it stop?

[Topsy-Turvy-Tracy]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

The guy in first pic looks really bored and like he spends a bit too much time in front of the Play Station.

The guy in the last pic could be the next Old Spice guy.

*edited to add: The after pic is certainly more muscled up and definted than the Old Spice guy. But could he do it in one take?:

YouTube - OldSpice's Channel

[Sunnyvalenting]

Positive Effect of Baclofen on Body Weight Reduction in Obese Subjects: A Pilot Study

My goal is 135-140 range. I will know it when I get there. that was my healthy young adult weight. I am at 159 now. Still a ways to go. Don't worry!