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    On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

    Hi there,

    I've been on the Bac-journey for 4 weeks now. I titrated up within a week to about 100mg. I experienced different SE's. First i slept very well (which I was not used to), nowadays I get 'by' with 3/4 hours a day. I stay awake at night very, very easily and at daytime I also very active, untill a sudden hot of tiredness which I can hardly resist.

    I do this with approval of my psychiatrist.

    Yesterday, I had a dinner with friends. I let them poor me a glass of wine. During dinner I switched the glass to the left of my plate, then to the right, et vice versa. The conversation was pretty boring and normally I'd drink myself to the level of conversation, just to be more fun and enjoying myself more. Not yesterday! When the dinner was over and I helped cleaning the table, I found myself getting my full glass of wine bringing to the kitchen. This had never ever happened before in my lifetime. I felt kind of proud, but it had really nothing to do with the 'will'. But then, when I came home, I took a really cold beer and kind of enjoyed it. I went to the night-store to get cigarettes and I took with me 3 other beers (half-liters). I drank one half of the half liters. Pretty strange right?

    While titrating up, my alcohol-abuse went down enormously, but still drinking.

    Now, my theory is that maybe it a gradual proces and I'm not there yet.

    My psychiatrist is getting a littlebit concerned because of the SE's I'm experiencing (insomnia, I forget about Everything, I'm not really in contact with my body, I sometimes really get 'hit' after taking a dose). His other clients didn't reach for the mythical switch and felt comfortable enough with about 100-120 mg/d. For him, this is also unknown territory and is allowed to subscribe 80 mg/d. He asked me to stay in close contact when going above 300 mg/d.

    So, I would like to hear/read experiences from members who have been at the point where I am now: high doses of Bac and gradually decreased cravings. Do you really KNOW when you reach the switch? My psychiatrist also would like to know that He knows I'm very determined, even though I listen carefully to my body. Right now all the information we have is mostly the info I get from MWO. We both do not want this thing to go wrong, like an epilectic attack or something like that. So, basicly, I feel a need to be reassured right now, I guess. I hope my story makes any sense.

    #2
    On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

    In my opinion: If someone isn't sure if he hit the switch he probably hasn't. You don't have to worry about a seizure btw if you are no epileptic. But at these high doses it's extremely important to never ran out of Baclofen, the withdrawal can be hell.

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      #3
      On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

      Thanks for the reply! I'm not epilectic at all. In my college-days I used to party and experiment al lot with lots of drugs (I'm from the Netherlands) and never had any troubles, lucky me!

      My psychiatrist has given me a precription for 300 pills of 25mg, so I could open up a small business right now. Wonder If I'd take a picture of the 'stack'. If I get to the Switch, then maybe that would be a small tribute for the wonderpills.

      I've told my psychatrist that 'I would know' when I reach the switch. For him, as a scientist, that is of course pretty much a non-scientific basis. I'm happy that he put enough confidence in me and Bac, 'cos I realize he's also sticking his neck out.

      I take 4x 67,5 a day now. I feel already less high/dizzy now, so I'm up to titrating up tomorrow. No driving for me though

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        #4
        On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

        It's amazing isn't it that we stick into our mouths/veins any drug that is supposed to get us high. But Baclofen has us worried.
        We know the background of the other drugs and their long term effects. We know, for example, heroin can make you into an unsavory character and if taken irresponsibly can lead to death. Speed make you reckless and prolonged use will make you psychotic.
        The difference is that we don't have anyone to testify to the effects of long term, high dosage Bac use. Whether good or bad we don't Know. I personally have self medicated a variety of of recreational drugs without fear, due to some extent naivety but largely because there is a vast amount of information available as to the expected reactions.
        Perhaps..............

        At this stage on my Bac journey I prefer to restrain from drawing conclusions from my ramblings
        Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 3.125mg/Kg

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          #5
          On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

          Lowcountryman;1002218 wrote:

          So, I would like to hear/read experiences from members who have been at the point where I am now: high doses of Bac and gradually decreased cravings. Do you really KNOW when you reach the switch? My psychiatrist also would like to know that He knows I'm very determined, even though I listen carefully to my body. Right now all the information we have is mostly the info I get from MWO. We both do not want this thing to go wrong, like an epilectic attack or something like that. So, basicly, I feel a need to be reassured right now, I guess. I hope my story makes any sense.
          I've sent you a PM -tk
          TerryK celebrates 6 years of sobriety and indifference to alcohol thanks to baclofen

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            #6
            On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

            Dear TK,

            I received your message and replied. I hope sincerely hope that you soon will be able to share your story with other members than I alone. Very helpfull, thanks for taking your time!

            LCM

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              #7
              On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

              My friend,

              you drank 1 1/2 beers with no interest in drinking more in a social situation and you are wondering if you have hit the switch? It's all a matter of degree brother, but you are well within healthy drinking guidelines at this point. Dutch beer may be moonshine by American standards but my puritanical mother would give you some shit at this point. I'd advise staying at your present dose for a few weeks. Put yourself in a few more social situations without the urge to indulge and I'd say you're golden. In the big scheme, moderate
              drinking without compulsion is much healthier than abstinence.
              -Ian

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                #8
                On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                low,
                how much did you drink before bac?
                guardian, I would agree in the general population moderation is healthy. have you achieved this with bac? thanks, gratitude.

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                  #9
                  On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                  For me, The Switch wasn't a defining moment with a hallelujah chorus. Like you, I experienced diminishing cravings, and was able to stop drinking after 1 or 2 beers, but as the SEs abated, I found I could drink more and more, until I was right back where I started.

                  For me, total abstinence is the only solution. I found once I'd been at 200mg/day for a few days, the urge to drink went away entirely, but external factors (social situations, depression) could easily cause me to reach for a drink, even if I didn't really "want" one. Making a commitment to abstinence and addressing the depression with drugs has been the only thing that's kept me sober for over 30 days so far.

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                    #10
                    On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                    When I started my bac I never was told to look for a switch. Just to not drink. So I didn't. I had never been able to comply with that instruction before. So I just knew it worked because I wasn't drinking. For me that is enough. I don't know that everyone gets that "switch" thing. Or maybe mine was on a low dose. I remain AF at 20 mg/day (high was about 100) I am at 10 months.
                    Best to all
                    Sunny

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                      #11
                      On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                      Where you at now Low?

                      I'm now at 240mg. Frankly fairly incompetent at everything I do. Making costly mistakes. Taking time off work but trying to conceal it. Worried about SEs but what to do. Prolong this level and the whole Bac journey longer or go for the switch. Are the SEs just something to be tolerated or something to be afraid of?

                      Drinking a lot less but by no means indifferent.
                      Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 3.125mg/Kg

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                        #12
                        On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                        Hi there all of you,

                        I posted a reply a few days ago, but when I wanted to submit the reply, my internetconnection broke down. So here's another try.

                        Thank you for all of your replies, to me and my psychiatrist really helpfull indeed.

                        Guardian: i just came home from performing in a pub as a singer/guitarist. With is pretty much a drinking event. Today I drank nothing, even though it's free of course. I think I had about ten redbulls. Normally I'd take lots of beers and after 3 hours of playing I'd leave the stage drunk as can be. Everybody else is drunk at that time, so nobody really cares. But for today, the musician was the only sober person in the establisment. Which is hopefull. I thought about having one nice beer after the performance, but I didn't. So I'll be in the social events surrounded by beer lots of times. I pretty much enjoyed playing sober by the way.

                        Gratitude: it's safe to say that used to drink as much as I could. When I slept well and feeling fit, I'd drink up to 20 half-liters beers a day. The day after, I wouldn't be able to drink as much. I also drink after certain situations. For example, when I have my child over for the weekend, it's easy to be abstinent. But when she leaves again, I'd take as much beer as I could in the shortest amounts of time. When I drink that fast, I can't physically handle more than 10 (I'd crash). Also when I've found myself not in a position to drink as much as I would (for example: being for a few days at my parents house).

                        Moglor: me and my doctor (md) already have spoken about what we're going to do after the Bac-therapy. For me also absolute abstinence is also my only option, I believe. I never saw the 'use' of having just a few beers and than stop drinking and go home. it just isn't for me I guess.

                        Sunny
                        : my psychatrist is having could results with his description of Baclofen. He also never told me to go look for the switch, but then again: he gave me Ameisen's book to read. His other clients didn't want to reach for the switch. They feel already so much better at a daily dose of about 100-120 mg. He was a bit surprised, and also a littlebit worried, that I wanted to go all the way.

                        Ignominous
                        : I'm at 300 a day now (4x75). The Se's are annoying to me, but that's about it. I feel like I'm in a constant high, not connected to my body at all. I sleep really horrible, but I seem to get by with the few hours I sleep. I never felt any dangerous effects coming to me. That would really scare me. In a way, the Se's are helpfull, because to me that's a reassurance that there is actually something happening in my brain. The extreme moderation is helping me to go all the way up. What I do, is that I eat a lot. Normal healthy stuff, like potatoes, vegetable and a piece of meat. I believe strongly that it help against SE's. I forgot to eat one day and experienced a lot more uncomfortable Se's. So, that might, maybe, help coping.


                        I'm at 300 a day now. I didn't drink tonight. But yesterday I bought beers. Not because I was bored or something special happened, but just because I wanted it. A nice SE was that I crashed after just a few beers and finally slept more than the 3 hours average that I'm pretty much getting used to. If tomorrow I'm good, I will titrate up to 325.

                        SE's are becoming very clear now. I keep forgetting almost everything. When I wake up I don't know what day it is, what time it is and I'm supposed to that day. It takes about a long time (20 minutes) to get the puzzle together. Annoying, but I can get over that. Last night I woke up at 2.00 in the night. I put on my clothes and wanted to go to the supermarket. Only when I looked outside I realized that it was pretty dark. So now, I'm awake for the last 24 hours and not sleepy at all (could also be for all the redbulls I consumed) I cleary feel the Bac kicking in. It's like a hammer and lasts about 20 minutes. I take 75 per dose. At lower doses I felt this ' hammer' earlier (after 2 hours) but now it takes about 4 hours. The hammer is now a good reminder to take the next dose.
                        I also ruin my neck because I look at girls/woman from the age-range 15-45. Even the ugly ones look very appetitable to me.I can't help it, i turn my head before i know it. And i keep thinking lots of times (not to say: everytime) about having a nice night with all of them. Well, that is just a pleasent SE, I guess. Means the world is a more beautiful place to travel in

                        Again, thx for the replies!

                        LCM

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                          #13
                          On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                          Good to hear, Low. The sleep things weird isn't it and the libido seems to be making a comeback! Keep going!
                          Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 3.125mg/Kg

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                            #14
                            On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                            To make a good comparison, it would be helpful if weight is always added to the mg/day. Otherwise readers have no way of knowing how high some of us titrate to, because it is always relative to one?s weight. If you understand what I mean.
                            I weigh 105 kg ( 230 pound) and went up to 240 mg/ day. The SE ?s became intollerable and I started tapering down, now at 160 mg/day. My aim was 270 mg/ day and I am unsure if I hit my " switch". Still some SE?s but much more tolerable. Still not drinking or thinking about it. Now waiting to see what will happen when I go taper down further. I didn?t drink from day 3 when I started with Baclofen 12-10-2010 ( 76 days ago) I was drinking 3 bottles of wine a day at that time, and a 45 year history of regular drinking.
                            Please keep encouraging one an other?

                            LvB

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                              #15
                              On 270mg a day now, gradually getting there?

                              Guys/girls,

                              I already titratet up to 400 mg/d. The result is there, no 'halleluah-feeling' though. My hardest times were at 250-270. Had to stay there for a few weeks. After that I titrated up, now I'm on 300mg/d, which is definitely better than the 400m/d.
                              My weight is 79 kilograms btw.
                              Alcohol is no longer an issue. Spend my christmas, which is alway a alcohol-feast, having two sips of wine. That was that. No wiskey, cognac, port or whatever for me. No trouble at all, no craving, just didn't care. Had no feeling that I missed anything and even managed to stay at the dinner-table till 3.00 am and enjoying the company.
                              So indeed, keep encouraging each other!!
                              chrs! Low

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