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[ignominous]

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Its not all like this Wal but welcome

[moglor]

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lvb65;1018867 wrote: Hi Moglor, lots of contradiction in your comment. If you are free of alcohol since 12 October, 2010, then why do you suppose " something which not everyone can bring to bear"? It surely is not helpful to say that " lots of people try Baclofen and give up on it" opposed to many that that don?t and are very positive and greatful for Baclofen.

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly positive and grateful for Baclofen. My point was that if there were a magic bullet cure for alcoholism, I don't think everyone who drinks heavily would take it. I think that there is a very large segment of the drinking/alcoholic population who are accepting of their lot in life, for whatever reason.

I also think that baclofen is not a 100% guaranteed cure. Again, my point is that it's not an easy road. It takes dedication. I know many many people who simply wouldn't do it because "it's too hard," plus there are many people for whom the side effects are intolerable.

This is generally why I don't think that widespread adoption of baclofen as an alcoholism treatment would have any particularly broad-reaching impact on society. I'm certainly all for it getting the recognition it deserves, however.

-Moglor

[Sunnyvalenting]

Lets face it

I think the members of this group are a self selected subset of the alcohol dependent in whom the other attempts have failed. It will always be difficult to get good accurate data but I do think that medical approaches to addiction, in general, are starting to get a tenuous foothold in the recovery industry. I am just damned lucky that I chose the clinic I did!. It was exactly what I needed. I didn't even know about bac until I got there. I, too, believe that many who have failed before bac were trying "hard" and sincerely. It is just that the cravings got to be too much for them. I know they were for me. I had always before feared that I was of the type described AA literature who was incapable of honesty. Turns out they were the dishonest ones! Free at last.
Sunny

[gyco]

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bullseye

moglor;1018846 wrote: Honestly, I doubt it would make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Many if not most alcoholics are either in denial, or don't really want to quit. Even from the posts here, lots of people who try baclofen give up on it: it takes EFFORT and COMMITMENT, something which not everyone can bring to bear. It's not a magic pill, it's an anti-craving medication that happens to work a lot better than the other commonly available ones.

i think the lady hit it rt on the button,i said it b4,my opinion,there is but one way to sop this ailment ? STOP, DONT DRINK, and never look back,ive beeen on the pill push b4,it is but another means to make money / the hi and mighties cant figure it out,many of the people doing the research are in the same boat as us.if not for us our inflation rate in many countries woukd sky rocket.why would they want a so called CURE,the cure is rt under your nose. STOP. no one has to drink or drug gyco

[Dabhar]

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Sunnyvalenting;1019790 wrote: I think the members of this group are a self selected subset of the alcohol dependent in whom the other attempts have failed. It will always be difficult to get good accurate data but I do think that medical approaches to addiction, in general, are starting to get a tenuous foothold in the recovery industry. I am just damned lucky that I chose the clinic I did!. It was exactly what I needed. I didn't even know about bac until I got there. I, too, believe that many who have failed before bac were trying "hard" and sincerely. It is just that the cravings got to be too much for them. I know they were for me. I had always before feared that I was of the type described AA literature who was incapable of honesty. Turns out they were the dishonest ones! Free at last.
Sunny

I agree whole-heartedly with you here Sunny. When I was attending AA, I quite sadly lumped me in with the same bunch that, as the exact AA credo states, "They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest".

For whatever reason, yes I totally agree with you that WE are mostly the ones here! That's why I am here. Every time that I heard the opening "Preamble" at the AA meetings, I figured that I was one of the AA failure, "incapable of graspoing and develping a manner of living...bla, bla, BLA!

As for me, I am ever so grateful to have found this place here---of fellow AA rejects---but a place that gives US our only hope of salvation.

GOD bless Dr. OA, who has made ofr us being "Alcohol Free" a real possibility, despite AA.

[ignominous]

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If I ever meet OA, I suspect I shall drop to my knees and bow Asian style.

[Dabhar]

Lets face it

As will I, Ig! He is every bit as much a man as "Bill W" was, who found AA. In our case, it is, "Dr. Oliver Ameisen" (this time I spelled it correctly..*cough*...sorry).

He will be the founding father of the REAL cure for alcoholism. Or, at least, the one who put the daring modern-day researchers onto the fundemental drug that eventually becomes the "Be-all-that-ends-all" drug to relieve alcohol and many other drug, addiction.

OA's name will go down in history for this, I guarantee it....I just know it...because he stumbled upon the total way to addiction(s) freedom!

I hope he is reading this, because he needs to know what he has done for us, and for the rest of human history!

Cheers.