It's up to us!

[Dabhar]

Friends, I challenge you!

As much as Dr. Ameisen has done, WE can do as much or more to bring Baclofen to the world as the ULTIMATE alcoholism (and other addictive drugs) cure.

Olivier is doing and has done as much as he can do. But, because Baclofen cannot be capitalized upon by the Pharmaceutical companies and because it challenges so many big money making "Rehab" programs (Like the "Alcoholism and Addiction Cure" book and foundation), it will be continuously PUT-DOWN. Why? Because, just as I said, there are too many organizations who will lose money and perhaps go out of business and there are no Pharmaceutical companies who can reap huge profits by Baclofen now.

That leaves US, my friends, as the ones---we are the pioneer's---who can ride on the back of Dr. Ameisen and help him to bring Baclofen to the WORLD! Think about this for a minute. You and I, who are being CURED of our alcoholism or other drug addiction, have the freedom and ability to bring this miracle to the rest of the world!!!

How? We can do it by continuing to post our success here. We can also join the plethora of other alcohol and drug online communities and share our good news there. We can also individually blog about it, or we can start our own web-sites and forums to talk about it, or we can even go down to the worst part of our towns and hand out fliers to all of the alcohol and drug addicted lost souls.

My point is, friends, WE can do a LOT if we just decide to do it. Let's make history together!!! Let's use this thread to start exploring all of the ways that YOU and I can make history and change the world, ok!!!??? Does this not sound like an exciting and meaningful thing to do!? For me, it does.

Let's do it! It really is up to us!!!

Love to all.

[lvb65]

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Hi Dab, I am fully with you. And in my way, working on small scale, by spreading the news. I need the feedback, moral support, encouragement, arguments, ethics, physical advice, and experience by others who are desperate. And "I" stands for thousands, if not millions of others. We have an obligation, first to ourselves and secondly to all those who want to follow steps, to share our ups and down and progress.
I am now at 230 mg/day. some SE?s but not seriously disturbing. NBeed to go up to 315 mg/day, according to doses by Olivier Ameisen. My inspiration

[beatle]

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it is important to note that Dr. A has by no means "done as much as he can do". He is still at the head of the baclofen vanguard and bandwagoning through the high-profile areas of the world to get baclofen accepted and into mainstream use. He knows exactly everything about the pharmaceutical industry, he is a medical insider, he is the only one who can do what he is doing and I don't believe he will fail.

He starts his first message to MWO like this:

"Greetings.
I wish to congratulate you on a very good forum.
I have adopted a policy to not intervene in forums because these are yours and should remain so. But I thought it might be help stimulate the debate.
You should in no way worry about the future of baclofen for alcoholism. Its present is already quite extraordinary. Progress has been spectacular and hundreds of patients have already gotten “disease-free” (I am quoting the figures of academic physicians) and the number of saved patients is growing exponentially. The treatment I discovered – high-dose baclofen – has already received wide recognition both in the US and internationally."

So, I believe that it is not our role to take up where he has left off, but, as you say, dab, it is our role to help ourselves and others first, and to help bolster Dr. A's efforts in the way we are doing here, by sharing information and advice, and by helping others through their struggles/efforts.

I believe Dr. A is watching us. He knows what is going on here, and I am quite sure that all the information exchange here will not go unnoticed or be lost.

I think what we need to do most is to KOKO with what we are doing here. Which is what we are doing, right? And, as dab points out, there are other ways we can reach out, other forums we could join. Winning over entrenched financial interests is almost always accomplished with grassroots support.

[mylife]

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Keep posting results please! Those of us who haven't given it a try are eager to hear your stories.

Thank you!

[ignominous]

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I believe in doing my bit to help. It is my duty.
Unfortunately it does nothing for my ego as I know that a discovery of this magnitude can never be swept under the carpet.
One of the SEs is that it is helping me to deal with my 'egomaniac with an inferiority complex' syndrome!
Anyway short answer is, "Count me in"

[beatle]

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I think the most potentially important and influential thing we can do is to get all the people who have had success with baclofen to come forward and tell their stories separately in new threads here (not on the My Story forum, which will probably not be looked as a source specifically for baclofen success stories). If this forum is flooded with baclofen success stories (even from people who have not reached their "switch" -- just experienced positive effects that have reduced their drinking and given them new hope and a better outlook on life, improving their quality of life and that of those around them.), this will be looked at as a major source of information (positive) that will certainly have an effect on doctors and other healthcare professionals, even if the pharmaceutical industry continues to eschew it for its own goals (to make money).

In short, I urge all people with success with baclofen, even those with only minor improvements, to start their own threads and extoll the virtues of baclofen, the life-changing effects it has had for you personally, and your desire that other people can also benefit from this medication (don't call it a drug). The effect this will have thread by thread (rather than them all being consolidated in one thread or randomly divided among other threads farther down in a thread not specifically about a success story with baclofen) will be one of the greatest ways to offer up what baclofen is really doing right now, and in an organized, easy to access fashion. It will give a good quick overview of what is really going on... not a diffuse collection of peoples thoughts, their struggles, their personal situations, etc. which will be hard to sift through (and take inordinate amounts of time) -- success thread after success thread will make a big impact, I believe.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mean this should be done at the expense of all the other various threads, which are a necessary and integral part of this forum and, indeed, of MWO's specific importance for all the individuals who come here in their search for their own way out, and in their need for comraderie,, sharing of information and experience, supporting each other -- all this is necessary and overwhelmingly important, I'm just saying lots of separate success threads would add to the impact of what positive effects baclofen is already having, and as a means of supporting Dr. A's crusade.

[Dabhar]

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Bump...

Beatle...I like the way you expressed/embraced our common cause here. Warrants being seen here again. Thanks.

[AllyB]

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I'm actually feeling massive guilt about this. My uncle, who'd been a chronic alcoholic for about 8 years, died on the 29th. My husband and I had talked about going to see him at some point in the next few months, to encourage him to try baclofen too. But we wanted to be as sure as possible about the efficacy of baclofen first and also it would have been too much for my husband as he's still struggling with the SE's, finishing up what has been the most demanding job of his life and looking for a new one.

I know in my head that waiting was honestly the only option and that bac isn't miracle enough to automatically and easily cure someone, especially if they have a poor support system around them. (His partner is a heroin addict he met at rehab 7 years ago.) But I still feel like utter crap knowing what an amazing weapon I could have brought to his war.

[Seethepony]

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Difficult to say, Ally. My biggest regret is that I knew about baclofen for a year before doing anything about it. Another 365 days of bullshit & hangovers I could have spared myself.

Of course, the patient has to take the medicine for it to work - even on this forum, full of people professing to be at their wits end, there is a lot of resistance to even contemplating the benefits of baclofen. I've come to the conclusion that even if there was a miracle pill - one you only have to take once, and you're cured for life - some alkies would refuse to take it. I think some people feel safe in their alcoholism. Whining about it day and night on a forum gives them a sense of purpose... it's a sort of religion. (this section of the forum, on the other hand, seems pretty rational, and full of people willing to learn from other people's efforts and successes.)

My father-in-law was diagnosed with cancer last year. Everyone told him he should drink masses of green tea, because of its supposed powers as an anti-carcinogen. His response? "No, I don't like green tea." He's in intensive care, right now, and I would be astonished if he lives until February. Still doesn't like green tea.

So, even if you'd made the suggestion to your uncle, the chances are he would have ignored you.

[Guest]

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I didn't like green tea, nor camomile but I have drunk both because they are recommended for relaxation and the green for fat metabolism.

The only reason I was cautious re bac is that it has a lot more sides than the above teas, which I asked a well qualified friend to give me his opinion on(not a DR I may add but just as knowledgeable on drugs and prescriptions), someone who would like me so very much to stay on the wagon and would consider anything to help me. He did not recommend it and gave me plenty of reasons why, along with literature etc he also studied the Dr Ameisen stuff and gave his professional opinion based upon facts as well as observations of myself and my journey in and out of alcoholism.

I would never take anything without knowing the facts first, that would be very silly.

[ignominous]

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Its a good point See. I haven't been crusading Bac on other MWO boards yet but the few times I mentioned it in chat I had little or no response. These are people who have surely heard about some of the successes.

Ally, I feel for you. I know the dilemma, have an old friend here that I'm sure will benefit from Bac. Just want to get to a level where I'm comfortable with it first before recommending.

[Seethepony]

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"I would never take anything without knowing the facts first, that would be very silly"

Yes, the prudent thing would be for everyone to continue drinking until they die prematurely, because if it's clinical trials you want, that ain't ever gonna happen...

[Lowcountryman]

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"I didn't like green tea, nor camomile but I have drunk both because they are recommended for relaxation and the green for fat metabolism."

"I would never take anything without knowing the facts first, that would be very silly."

Did you know all the facts and working reg. green tea or camomile?

I would recommend Baclofen anytime. Then again I would surely love to be informed about all the reasons why I shouldn't have taken the Bac. Since this forum is almost a praisesong for Bac, it might be good for all of us to know why we should not do this drug. Information should be the first goal of WMO and this forum. That could as well be a new threat like: "Why shouldn't you take Bac?"

[Rusty]

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Hi guys,

Quick check in. I just got off the phone with Dr. Levin. He is such a good man...I feel soooo much better!

[AllyB]

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ignominous;1035500 wrote: Its a good point See. I haven't been crusading Bac on other MWO boards yet but the few times I mentioned it in chat I had little or no response. These are people who have surely heard about some of the successes.

I have tried mentioning it repeatedly on other addiction related boards I use and I have never, ever had any feedback or queries about it, with the exception of stinkin-thinkin who now link to this board. I also went to a number of al-anon meetings and tried putting it out there, to see if anyone was interested in looking at it as a possibility for their loved one, but nobody was remotely interested.

I'm sure there are plenty of alcohol addicted people who are just playing lip-service to getting over their addiction. And maybe even getting something out of that lip-service. But I find it very strange that not one person with an alcoholic loved one was interested in learning more. When I first found this board I read back through as many stories as possible and cried and cried with a mixture of hope and fear. My head said it was was too good to be a true, but a part of me thought it might be. So I read as much as I could and eventually picked a good night to suggest he try it, because we had absolutely nothing to lose.