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Lowcountryman;1035541 wrote: "I didn't like green tea, nor camomile but I have drunk both because they are recommended for relaxation and the green for fat metabolism."

"I would never take anything without knowing the facts first, that would be very silly."

Did you know all the facts and working reg. green tea or camomile?

I would recommend Baclofen anytime. Then again I would surely love to be informed about all the reasons why I shouldn't have taken the Bac. Since this forum is almost a praisesong for Bac, it might be good for all of us to know why we should not do this drug. Information should be the first goal of WMO and this forum. That could as well be a new threat like: "Why shouldn't you take Bac?"

Yes of course, I am not saying don't take baclofen I also didn't say whether or not I have decided to start it either and for all you know I could very well be doing so.

WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT I'D NOT TAKE A DRUG BLINDLY JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD ME TO. I'D CHECK IT OUT FIRST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY HARM AND MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION. Sure drinking is harmful but no point swapping that for a different set of problems - which by the way I'm not referring to any drug or bac when I say that. It's just common sense. Duh I'll take x drug because it'll stop me drinking, but the fact it might cause me to grow a second head doesn't matter - that would be a no brainer. And before anyone once again assumes I'm slagging off bac - I am not. I'm just stating what anyone would or should do before starting ANY course of medication for ANYTHING.

And yes I have read about camomile & green tea and the taste is quite nice once you get used to it. I would severly doubt however that green tea would cure an established tumour, although I've no doubt that the anti-oxidants, plus other ingredients it does contain can help prevent some cancers combined with a good diet and healthy lifestyle.

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Do you know something, as hinted above I had been seriously thinking about using bac. Yet everytime I comment in this section I'm assumed to be against it. Either the people here are defensive, sensitive about using this drug or you just don't give a stuff.

The result is that I've decided there is no point posting here, as all I get is torn apart. For the record I'll repeat I have been seriously considering the drug at various points, but because of the reaction whenever I post I've decided not to post if I'm using it or not.

Just fed up of the attitudes. I'll just go and do my own thing.

[AllyB]

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Ukblonde;1035828 wrote: Do you know something, as hinted above I had been seriously thinking about using bac. Yet everytime I comment in this section I'm assumed to be against it. Either the people here are defensive, sensitive about using this drug or you just don't give a stuff.

I think that apart from the comment re-tea Low was genuinely asking why it is that your friend advised you against it. What the specific reasons were? I'd genuinely like to know those reasons too. I do think that coming on here and saying that you were given some very good reasons not to use it but not sharing that reason with those who are, or who have family members who are, taking the drug, is a bit unfair on a forum that was designed as a place to share that kind of information.

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Because the reasons have been discussed on here before and I know I'll be shot down in flames. So I'll make the decision myself and keep it to myself.

Since it's all worked so well for everyone else I can't see the problem with that.

[Seethepony]

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Hi UK, for the record I didn't mean to bring up a discussion about tea. I was just using the "I don't like green tea" line to illustrate the ease with which some people - you included I must say - dismiss this life saving medication. If I sound rude it's only me trying to cut through the crap and get the point across. I just read some numb-nuts thread started by someone in another part of the forum - someone sounding really desperate, will do anything to sort this shit out etc. After lots of "we can do it together" type answers, I piped up and recommended baclofen, figuring here's someone who might really benefit from giving it a spin. The response? More or less, "well I've tried meds, don't like them, they interfere with my drinking" and that's that. I deliberated whether I should follow up and say this is not just some other med, but I've been there before. The more I insist this is the real deal, the more resistance there is... I feel like a conman doing his best to sell something, when all I'm trying to do is help.... sigh!
Then you came along and dropped the "very silly" line, which I perhaps misinterpreted...
Anyway, I don't think anyone is trying to shoot anyone down in flames. So, you know. Cool your engines. Whether you try bac or not is entirely your business. Threatening not to take it cos everyone's been ganging up on you is a bit... silly!

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Seethepony

I am not dismissing the med at all and have said that several times above. I've actually seriously been thinking about using it and have massively hinted above that I may already be taking it. I never said people shouldn't take it all I said was that like anything else, and any other drug the effects, benefits etc should always be weighed up.

HARDLY a dismissal if I may be using it for God's sake.

For some reason people in this section don't seem to be able to read my words?is that an effect of bac?who knows perhaps I'll find out.

Oh SORRY I'm supposed to be dismissing it not taking the darn stuff. Ok I'll cancel the order since you think putting people off is what I'm trying to do.

SO SORRY I EVEN CONSIDERED TRYING IT AND WAS ONLY PUTTING A COMMON SENSE PIECE OF ADVICE ON HERE. It's obvious everyone thinks I am dismissing it(when I wasn't) so I will dismiss it, just to fit in with what you think.

Tell you what everyone, just take everything anyone tells you to. Don't read the label or find out about it - just take it it'll be ok.

[AllyB]

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Ukblonde;1035842 wrote: Because the reasons have been discussed on here before and I know I'll be shot down in flames. So I'll make the decision myself and keep it to myself.

So it's SE's and the bac withdrawal problems? I'd genuinely like to know. We haven't yet gotten a doctor to prescribe bac, though we have talked about it with a doctor friend who unfortunately is licensed in the wrong part of the world and who also is not that familiar with the drug. My husband had liver and kidney failure just over a year ago and though we had gotten confirmation that his kidneys were fully recovered before we ordered bac, as long as he's taking a prescription drug, (+ prescribed sleeping tablets) without proper medical supervision, I'd like to be aware of all of the bad stuff, as well as the good.

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You'll have to ask the others because they'll pull me to bits including STP who will say any side effects are better than drinking alcohol.

[AllyB]

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Ukblonde;1035872 wrote: You'll have to ask the others because they'll pull me to bits including STP who will say any side effects are better than drinking alcohol.

I'm afraid the others don't know what your friend told you.

I know this board can have a very different tone to the others and it can take a hell of a lot of getting used to (check out one of my early thread about sperm hyperactivation to see that I've needed to wrap my head around the place too) but it is about sharing concrete information as well as emotional support.

If you know something new please share it. If the negative points that your friend brought to your attention are only the same as those repeatedly posted on here then I'm not sure what you meant when you posted this; "I would never take anything without knowing the facts first, that would be very silly" ? Everyone is here, reading and posting, in order to learn and allow others to learn from them. I don't see anyone recommending that alcoholics just STFU and take the pills they're recommending. They are helping them learn from their experiences, good and bad.

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AllyB;1035868 wrote: So it's SE's and the bac withdrawal problems? I'd genuinely like to know. We haven't yet gotten a doctor to prescribe bac, though we have talked about it with a doctor friend who unfortunately is licensed in the wrong part of the world and who also is not that familiar with the drug. My husband had liver and kidney failure just over a year ago and though we had gotten confirmation that his kidneys were fully recovered before we ordered bac, as long as he's taking a prescription drug, (+ prescribed sleeping tablets) without proper medical supervision, I'd like to be aware of all of the bad stuff, as well as the good.

Ally

I've pm'd you with the stuff I have been sent.

[Greg]

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Dr Ameisen also questioned the safety of high doses of baclofen before fully committing himself to it, including research into the use of it in multiple sclerosis and asking a neurologist friend of his about the use of up to 400 mg/day (the neurologist indicated an upper amount of 300 mg/day in his own practice). I understand that untreated alcoholism is likely to kill a person, and is therefore more dangerous than most prescription drugs, but it would also seem reasonable to ask questions about baclofen and other treatments if there are concerns.

[Lowcountryman]

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UK,

I read your respons to my post. My intention was absolutely not to make a fool out of you. Thought there was actually some humor in it. I'm sure that didn't come through;( I was not looking for you to react this way, so my tone must not have been right.

My final point, and I should have kept myself only to that point, was that the more information we get, the better we can decide to make an educated decision. I've always wanted to hear less succesful stories from people who took the Baclofen. For me this Bac turned out to be a miracle right now, so maybe I got carried away in the Bac-praise. Then again, there should be more information that is not that beneficial to Bac.

Anyway, warmest regards from the other side of the North-sea.

And of course, I would love to have a copy of the mail you sent to Ally. But of course, that is totally up to you to decide now

Low

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Being the good neo-pseudo hippy I am, what springs to mind is the bumper sticker "Act locally, think globally."

Trite, maybe, but true-ish. There's a post in Just Starting Out from a wine taster who isn't looking to abstain (it is after all his livelihood at stake) and EVERY single response encourages him to quit. Abstain. Find help through therapy or lifestyle changes or some such. You know where I stand on that. (ftr, glad it works for some. didn't for me.)

So, I would like to know if we expect a sea-change, and it looks like the tipping point is approaching, why aren't we representing? I'm not the bac poster child atm, but lots of you are. Just sayin'.