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[seeking_serenity]

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bleep;1049195 wrote: I've been prescribed amitryptiline for sleep, which I believe is a tranquilizer. I don't know much about it, since I took it once and woke up muffed the next day, and haven't taken it since. Definitely made me sleep though! I am told that not everyone gets that feeling from it, and looking back it was perhaps more a hangover than anything else that I was feeling.I looked it up; it looks like it's an antidepressant. I was looking into other medications (Seroquel, trazodone) as sleep aids myself, because I am flat-out terrified of taking anything addictive, like Ambien or xanax. I'll add amitryptiline to my list of possible new sleep meds!

Isolde;1049596 wrote:
My libido's back up too, since I started titrating up again. I'm single too, Serenity, but like Rusty said, I have hands (among other things)! But I find that it's a bit like having a glass of wine these days - anti climactic. It happens, but in a barely perceptible way. And like with AL, I find myself thinking, "Why bother?!"
We really NEED to do a thread about this SE. I keep hearing the same things over and over: libido up, ability to reach conclusion down. haha

Some days I feel like "why bother" as well! And other days...well, I'm glad I invested in some new batteries recently. :blush:

neva eva;1049866 wrote: hmmm.
I woke up this morning after many hours of interrupted sleep. I was laying on my arm, again, and my ear was burning. I thought of you, started a conversation with you about it, then realized the ear that was hurting was not the one I was sleeping on!
I continued the conversation, filling in your part of it in my dream/wake state. And then realized that I was not really typing/reading! AHA! So the dissociation returned a bit last night.
I vaguely remember waking up at the predictable times (midnight, but I dreamed that I was looking at the clock and I was so relieved that it said 330am. Then woke enough to look at the clock and it was only midnight. bummer.)
I woke again at 330am, then again to start the day at 530am. If I hadn't stayed in bed and talked myself back into sleep, I could've gotten up at any point. I ended up getting 7.5 hours of very disrupted sleep.God, that sounds like some of my nights. Staying asleep just becomes such a chore! And the constant conversaations in my head can get so exhausting. Hope the rest of your nights are more restful! Personally, I find that one out of 3-5 nights I'll sleep poorly, but most other nights I'll get mostly-uninterrupted sleep.

neva eva;1049866 wrote: The sexual frustration thing? :H I seriously think we could create the most popular MWO thread ever if we wanted to! With lots of innuendo.
I have had the experience of not being able to reach a conclusion... And also, much more have found that bac not only increases the urge, it has also made fulfillment that much more, um, gratifying. Have you seen the SITC episode when Charlotte (? I think) got a new, um, toy and they couldn't get her out of her apt? I can relate... 'nuf said?

Like I mentioned to Is, we need to start this thread. It would be hilarious. Who dares start it...?:blinkylove:
neva eva;1049866 wrote:
Good productive day to you! The new job starts tomorrow?
woohoo!

Thanks! (and thanks to Is and bleep as well!) It starts Monday.
neva eva;1049866 wrote:
How's the dog?

Talked to the kennel worker on Tuesday, who said that she (Brindle is her name) is doing very well, and will be back up for adoption on Monday! :h Such a relief.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and good wishes, they really mean a lot to me. :h

[Isolde]

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neva eva;1049866 wrote: hmmm.
Have you seen the SITC episode when Charlotte (? I think) got a new, um, toy and they couldn't get her out of her apt? I can relate... 'nuf said?

I was thinking about that episode yesterday when I said that I have hands (among other things)!! Cuz I recently got the same one! :H I thought it would be getting more use due to the increased libido, but the lack of any satisfying conclusion is such a damper. I don't think I'll need to change the batteries out for a LONG time!

By the way, I am so glad that E! is replaying all of the SITC episodes right now. I've seen them all before, twice, but it's been a few years and I still enjoy catching them on in the evenings, even if they can't show all of the good stuff!

Nev and Serenity, I'm having the same kind of sleeping issues again. Luckily I don't do the dissociation thing and have conversations that I think are real at the time, but it does become a chore to even stay in bed. Tossing and turning, waiting to fall back asleep, feeling like I can't get comfortable. It's exhausting!
Nev, I've had it happen before that I was out so deeply from the bac that I would stay in the same position I'd fallen asleep in for hours and end up with really sore/achey body parts. Not that long ago, I fell asleep with my left arm up under the pillow while sleeping on my stomach. When I partially woke up to turn over, I couldn't even feel my arm. Luckily I didn't freak out, I knew exactly what had happened. But I had to grab my left arm with my right hand and drag it out from under the pillow and lay it next to me so that the blood could start getting to it again. That was a weird feeling though!

[beatle]

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seeking_serenity;1049919 wrote: I looked it up; it looks like it's an antidepressant. I was looking into other medications (Seroquel, trazodone) as sleep aids myself, because I am flat-out terrified of taking anything addictive, like Ambien or xanax. I'll add amitryptiline to my list of possible new sleep meds! :h

I will write a longer post on this and other issues in relation to my situation this past weekend.

But I quickly wanted to say (3 times now! -- lost the posts as I sent them) that trazadone is contraindicated with baclofen. (drug-drug interaction).

During the brief time I talked to Dr. L, he asked me what other meds I was taking, and immediately told me to get off trazadone. This surprised me, as I had looked it up on 3 different drug interaction checker sites before taking it (I always do this -- I don't trust doctors to bother enough about it), and they all had that yellow "moderate" caution sign (CNS - -the usual).

After Dr. L. told me that, I went back and took another look, and I did finally find 1, just one site, that had it listed as a red "danger" warning. 3 or 4 others had it as "moderate".

Just wanted to get that out there.

I've been having intermittent internet interruptions (extremely unusual in this ultra high-tech country) and I've lost so many posts, my frustration level is off the charts. I will write responses in word and transfer them over now. This will take some time.

[bleep]

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This fruition thing is very irritating. I haven't fruited for the longest I have ever not fruited since first I fruited. It is driving me mad, I can feel my whole body is tense!

I always thought it was a real pornstar thing, to not fruit for ages, but this is getting out of hand. I wish...
I remember Grommet saying he had the opposite problem, what a lucky man. Just once, is all I ask. I'll start a thread, but don't all leave me hanging, it's happening too much all ready!

[redhead77]

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Amitryptiline or Elavil is a tricyclic antidepressant. In the olden days, meaning before the discovery of SSRI's or really the disovery of prozac, these antidepressants were all anyone had. Many cause drowsiness, but especially Elavil. It is definately safe on baclofen. Dr L mentioned this drug when he was reading to me a list of some of the safe antidepressants. It is now prescribed for sleep only, and appears to work very well.

[Lo0p]

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seeking_serenity;1049919 wrote: Like I mentioned to Is, we need to start this thread. It would be hilarious. Who dares start it...?:blinkylove:

Did someone say "dare"...?

[seeking_serenity]

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Isolde;1049930 wrote: Nev and Serenity, I'm having the same kind of sleeping issues again. Luckily I don't do the dissociation thing and have conversations that I think are real at the time, but it does become a chore to even stay in bed. Tossing and turning, waiting to fall back asleep, feeling like I can't get comfortable. It's exhausting!

Oh, I hate that SE so much. It may be the one I hate the most (tied with the dizziness/nausea one). Actually, those two are the only ones that I get that actually bother me.

beatle;1049974 wrote: But I quickly wanted to say (3 times now! -- lost the posts as I sent them) that trazadone is contraindicated with baclofen. (drug-drug interaction).

During the brief time I talked to Dr. L, he asked me what other meds I was taking, and immediately told me to get off trazadone. This surprised me, as I had looked it up on 3 different drug interaction checker sites before taking it (I always do this -- I don't trust doctors to bother enough about it), and they all had that yellow "moderate" caution sign (CNS - -the usual).

After Dr. L. told me that, I went back and took another look, and I did finally find 1, just one site, that had it listed as a red "danger" warning. 3 or 4 others had it as "moderate".

Thank you SO much for that, beatle! That's good to know. I was planning on asking Dr. L next week about whether either of those drugs were contraindicated for baclofen. I'm also very glad to know that the one bleep mentioned was OK! I might ask Dr. L to prescribe that to me; otherwise I'll just order some online.

Thanks again!

bleep;1050001 wrote: This fruition thing is very irritating. I haven't fruited for the longest I have ever not fruited since first I fruited. It is driving me mad, I can feel my whole body is tense!

I always thought it was a real pornstar thing, to not fruit for ages, but this is getting out of hand. I wish...
I remember Grommet saying he had the opposite problem, what a lucky man. Just once, is all I ask. I'll start a thread, but don't all leave me hanging, it's happening too much all ready!

bleep, this made me lol for the longest fucking time. Thank you for a good laugh, even if it was at your expense a little bit.

redhead77;1050003 wrote: Amitryptiline or Elavil is a tricyclic antidepressant. In the olden days, meaning before the discovery of SSRI's or really the disovery of prozac, these antidepressants were all anyone had. Many cause drowsiness, but especially Elavil. It is definately safe on baclofen. Dr L mentioned this drug when he was reading to me a list of some of the safe antidepressants. It is now prescribed for sleep only, and appears to work very well.

This is SOOOOO good to know! I want this shiite now! I'd love to go to sleep and know I won't be tossing and turning the whole night. I do love my sleep!

Lo0p;1050009 wrote: Did someone say "dare"...?

Lo0p, I should have known you'd jump at the chance to post that thread. :H You seem like one of the...randier ones on this forum! :threekisses:

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Congratulations on starting your new job today! We hope it went really, really well!



I happen to know that the purpose of the new job is to help others. You are an inspiration in that and many other ways. :goodjob:

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Hope you had a great day.

By the way I was prescribed Amytriptyline by a rehab(yeah I know), in order to help me sleep as well as also perhaps enhancing my mood. I never had any fuzziness at all with it, nor side effects and would recommend.

[taw]

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Hope you had a great first day! Let us know how it went!!!!!!

[beatle]

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Hope you had a great first day at your new job!

Just to follow up on the trazadone thing... what I didn't say is that Dr. L. did mention zanax. He said that was better than zolpidem (which I take more and more now for the sleep problem -- after quitting trazadone, which really did help with the sleeping). I can't find my notes right now, but I'm sure he said it reacted less with the baclofen, or something along that line.

I know some people have had negative reactions to zanax, so I'm not sure where to go on that.

There are lots of natural remedies for sleeplessness, though, which I can attest to trying (pretty much everything), and attest to that they work (!) -- but only when I am completely sober. Sorry for that anticlimax-- I guess we are all used to that now, though :H.

[Isolde]

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beatle;1051677 wrote: Hope you had a great first day at your new job!

Just to follow up on the trazadone thing... what I didn't say is that Dr. L. did mention zanax. He said that was better than zolpidem (which I take more and more now for the sleep problem -- after quitting trazadone, which really did help with the sleeping). I can't find my notes right now, but I'm sure he said it reacted less with the baclofen, or something along that line.

I know some people have had negative reactions to zanax, so I'm not sure where to go on that.

There are lots of natural remedies for sleeplessness, though, which I can attest to trying (pretty much everything), and attest to that they work (!) -- but only when I am completely sober. Sorry for that anticlimax-- I guess we are all used to that now, though :H.

I finally bit the bullet and called up my doctor's office to get something to help me sleep through the night. I have an appointment for tomorrow at 9:30. I was originally going to look into Ambien CR (the time release version of zolpiderm). I mentioned this to a friend of mine and he said that he thought xanax was a much better choice. He had a g/f who took Ambien and he experienced all kinds of crazy reactions that she had to it. And apparently your body develops a tolerance to it. Considering I got used to Advil PM so fast that it only worked for ONE night, I'm not interested in taking something that I'm going to develop a tolerance to.
I know that just a very small amount of xanax works very well for me. I don't grind my teeth, don't get night sweats, don't wake up feeling drugged, and most importantly, don't desire to ever take more of it for any reason. I just want to sleep! So I think I am going to try my hardest to push for that tomorrow. Hopefully my doc is receptive and doesn't think I'm looking to get an Rx so that I can abuse it.

I've tried just about everything over the counter, including all of the natural ones that I always recommended to people in the past. Bottom line is that nothing has given me such a peaceful, restful night's sleep as xanax.

Beatle, cute quip on the "anticlimax"! :H

And also, serenity, congrats on the first day of your new job!!!! Hope it was wonderful! :l

[beatle]

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Is, that is exactly my thinking.

I have had no wild and crazy experiences on zolpidem (ambien), but I know many people have. I love the drug, but yes, I build up a tolerance very very quickly. I start at 2.5mg, and in 5 nights, I am up to 7.5mg, or even 10mg. Then I have to stop for a few days so I can start from scratch again. There is something scary about that.

I'll definitely be looking into xanax, especially because of what Dr. L. said. I assume he has experience with this.

Have you tried the natural ones sober?

I used lith orotate, melatonin, and taurine (plus Calms Fort?) -- maybe even something else -- in the first weeks after detoxing, and found these to be very effective. Oh yes, and valerian. I have heard that there are very few people who don't respond to valerian. I think valium is based on that (?). It used to help me a lot, but I stopped because I heard it is bad for the liver.

[seeking_serenity]

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Oh my GOSH, you guys, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR NICE THOUGHTS!:h :h :h

I just started this job today and I LOVE it so far! Absolutely a perfect fit for me. And I have cheap ($5/month, seriously) health insurance! I haven't had health insurance in about 7 years.

I will have a better response to all of you later, but I just want to say thank you! :l

[Bruunhilde]

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Congrats on the fabulous new job and the HEALTH INSURANCE! Manna from heaven, all at once. You must be doing things right in your life, girl.

Xanax works great to get you through bac sleeplessness if you use it for a while then it stops working, you just have some sleepless nights as you withdraw and then you start to sleep hopefully, and if not, after a handful of days you can restart at the lowest possible dose.

I got my doc to RX me a two milligram tablet and it takes me four or five nights to get through it. If I grow tolerance towards it, I have to cut back or cut it off to make it work again. This way one bottle lasts for months.

I stopped the xanax when I started bac, to avoid any side effects being made worse, but started again one sleepless bac night and the SE's were the same except I had more sleep under my belt in the AM.

I say Go For It.