Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Hi Starts

To some extent I can relate to needing some sort of chemical. My early experiences with drugs were invariably positive and it was always nice to know that; whatever happened during the day I would get some respite later. Adrenaline for asthma can't have given you a negative impression of drugs!

Several times on this forum I've heard of people coming off their anti depressants because they no longer need them in conjunction with Bac. Which drug is the least intrusive and best targets our needs is the question. I just wish there was some more research on Bac and how it works.

[startingover]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Thats why I watch these threads with interest Iggy pop. All of you are researching this drug in a way...

And yes, adrenalin is like the very very best speed

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Hear you on that Starts. If you get anything new be sure to let me know, won't you.

[startingover]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Will do Iggy Pop xx

[Full English]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

ignominious;1064362 wrote: I just wish there was some more research on Bac and how it works.

Hi Ig,
I will respond to your note on my thread separately, but I came across this article yesterday and thought of you and your question (above) you posed yesterday. I wonder if this sheds some light on what BAC does to our brains. As well as a GABBA B supplement, this article suggests BAC inhibits parts of the brain. I don't know if there is anything in it, but I thought it was interesting.
I hope this link works:

BBC News - Drug relapse brain region found in rats

Hope all is good Ig.
FE

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Thanks for that FE. Any thing with baclofen mentioned is of interest.

Also noteworthy is the baclofen only forum being opened. Right up my street! I'd be over there in a flash but I'd be lonely and I already have a comfort zone here.

Loop - I suggest that this is perhaps worth downloading to urban fool and the consolidated thread. As would any article which mentions baclofen, however obtusely.

And FE - All is good when there is hope to find a way out of this hellish maze I've created in my mind!

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Haven't posted here for a while and this is sort of my post switch blog.

Some interesting stuff being written on other threads. Occasionally make a comment but can't really do the threads justice as I am not following them closely enough, often many references to pms and other conversations I've not been involved in. Not keen on that at all and have found myself using extraneous knowledge to bump up my credibility and appear to be in the loop. (Not a trait I want to cultivate). Anyway, long story short, I have some things to say and there's no one in this part of Asia to share them with, so you're it.

A brief, very fleeting look at amygdela has me thinking this is critically relevant to my dysphoria and alcoholism. My own brand of panic attacks occur in situations where I am about to; or have; revealed my true self. No planning or preparation time. My learnt experience as a child tell me this is incredibly dangerous and certain to be painful and distressing. I freeze, like a rabbit in car headlights, not a very good coping mechanism. I hope this particular line of investigation gains some momentum and some tangible results. Otter you have my encouragement.

The problem with MWO is that it is primarily a supportive environment. People say nice things to each other.. They are often bland, totally ignore the scientific aspects of baclofen. Often encourage repetitive destructive behavior. Ignore greater truths for homillies. Shout side line encouragement rather than coach strategy. Pander to the ego rather than address the underlying ego dysfunction.
The great thing about MWO is that it does the above. I personally doubt I could have 'got better' without the kind words that I received here. The opportunity to be able to reach out and have empathetic people wish you well is fantastic. Helped restore some faith in human nature for me. Let me feel I wasn't alone. Invaluable. Once again I say it would help if MWO would organize a separate baclofen section.

[TracyA]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Ig, it's not another forum, but if you would vote in Tip's poll, stickies would help (stickies being posts that stay permanently at the top of the forum):

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ies-48605.html

[Guest]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I don't think another forum is the answer either - it could just end up a Baclofen Bloggers section, with loads of individual threads.

[JohnR]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I voted for it. Better than nothing I think!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

ignominious;1075174 wrote: A brief, very fleeting look at amygdela has me thinking this is critically relevant to my dysphoria and alcoholism.

It's fascinating isn't it? I find myself gravitating toward that stuff...
Glad for your thoughts. Thanks.

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

It is fascinating and exciting Ne. Incredible progress being made I think. Don't know how common these breakthroughs are in the general course of research but it looks to a layperson like they are finally starting to bark up the right tree.

The reason I haven't voted YES on the stickies thing is not indifference! Its because we still know too little about what we are doing. i.e. there seems to be a swing from dosing every 2 hours to once a day. The whole baclofen thing is in too much a state of flux to make any thing permanent imo. I think that creating stickies will 'kiln harden' an imperfect set up. Perhaps you could say something along those lines when you submit it, Tip. That this poll is a reflection that something needs to be done.
The reason I haven't voted NO is that anything that will draw the moderaters attention to the baclofen cause is a good thing

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

ignominious;1075397 wrote: Incredible progress being made I think. Don't know how common these breakthroughs are in the general course of research but it looks to a layperson like they are finally starting to bark up the right tree.

Morning, Ig!

Yes! Wow. I'm seriously floored by the research into bac that is happening in other areas. All related, from what this lay person can tell, to the amygdala. I'll bore you with a clip from an interesting article I heard on NPR about the differences in the amydala in boys and girls. Huge implications for treatment of ALkie-ism and other things too, I think. Though my little mind has a hard time making all the connections. I wish someone other than Otter was compiling all of this stuff and putting the pieces of the puzzle together to find the whole. The next generation, maybe? Here's hoping...

Otter suggested in one of his posts that baclofen was going to blow the doors off treatment of mental illness. (my words, lol, not his.) I think that's true. I know you know I am a bac-cheerleader, but Ig, this goes deeper.
My brain, my mind... It's beyond my ability to understand or verbalize. But it's profound and a fundamental shift.
Hope you're well and that the horrific earthquake has not affected your part of the world.
:l (because it wouldn't be Ne without at least one emoticon, ha!)
Ne
Also agreed wholeheartedly with your thoughts about a sticky. Of course though, I voted yes. Have you had a chance to follow/join the new forum? Baclofen Forum
It's under utilized atm, and I can't sign on yet, so I'm not participating, but I will! And lordy, watch out then new forum! ha

I hope that some of your other friends here are not ignoring the meds threads...

[Bruunhilde]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Ig, very well thought out, great reasoning on the vote. If I only had a brain.

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Hi Ne, no difference here, same ole sh!t, thanks for asking.

Bruun, thanks, I have my moments. I actually think brains are highly overrated when I look around and see that the most clever thing being done with them is how to enslave the majority for the benefit of the few.

Another thing that I feel the want to come clean about is that I have had a couple of drinks. This seems an appropriate time with the prevailing mood on MWO to air ones thoughts politically correct or not.

I certainly didn't want to hide it per se but also I didn't want to get too much 'support' untill I had come to terms with it myself. I new from the start and from experience that I wouldn't be satisfied with having been cured until I had given it the acid test and knew I could take it or leave it like a normal person (well, maybe slightly enhanced awareness individual). I had origionally planned to drink after a years sobriety but after 3 months I thought "long enough"!

I went out with the intention of getting blottoed and did. Drank enough beer to sink the titanic and when my brain was on a par with a protozoa I went home and drank whiskey untill I passed out. The main difference to my modus operandi was that I didn't get into any verbal fights and if anything was being too familiar and empathetic with complete strangers. Thank goodness my invitations to come too lunch the next day were politely refused because in the morning I didn't feel so loved up with the world!

Acting like a nice idiot is not so bad in the scheme of things and cleaning the sheets because I had pissed on them can be forgiven occasionally. The next day and indeed for a few days I could easily have opted for a couple of drinks after work. However this had been an experiment and not a slip so decided not too and give my brain some more time to rewire alcohol free.

The next occasion was a couple of weeks later when I was attending an expat get together and wanted to blend in. For about 3 hours I happily nursed 2 mugs of beer. As I was leaving somebody presented me with a 3rd that they had quewed for at the busy bar, My first thought was "It would be rude not to drink it". Having taken a sip I thought. "I don't want this and this has caused me a lot of pain in the past and I would rather be a little rude than drink it" So I told him, "thanks but I didn't want it" and with that I left. That was a bit rude seeing that he couldn't very well give the beer to someone else then. One lives and learns!

I had no desire to get drunk whatsoever to get drunk on the 2nd occasion. I am not an alcoholic any longer, I dont think I am out of the woods yet with alcohol by a long shot. I still have issues with how much baclofen I'm taking, currently 110mg, and that I still haven't found another way to quell the torment inside me.