Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

[Bruunhilde]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I just wrote a big ass post and the whole thing disappeared when I hit SUBMIT. That's what happens on my other computer. Maybe MWO is disabling me entirely.

THREE MINUTE HALFLIFE? Gees.

Ig, if you try it, please start a thread so I don't miss it.

[bleep]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I started one very recently Bruun. It's cryptically entitled "Oxytocin"

Don't panic though, you weren't alone in not seeing it.

[Bruunhilde]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I shall scout around post haste.

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I had faith in your stoutness Bleep. Sort of knew it wouldn't be a problem. Thanks.

I read that thread on Oxytocin, there is also a mention of it made by someone else on another thread. though I can't remember where it is and don't know how to track it down. Why are you so interested in this Bleep, not that I don't appreciate you doing some research for me, you seem to have good vibes/love to spare. I have yet to see anything faintly aggressive or hateful come out of your mouth (fingertips) even when replying to posts which would have sent me apoplectic with rage (admittedly not such a high benchmark!).

Brunn, sorely disappointed to miss out on the long pertinent post. This ailment has affected many of us, I now use copy and notepad regularly, even just right clicking and copy can be a deal saver just before hitting send. What's with that 3 minute half-life; blood plasma or CNS or another?

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Ftr and if anyone is wondering.

I drank for the 3rd night in a row last night. I had increased my dose to 60mg (30mg morning, 30mg afternoon) but it was raining when I finished my work at 5.30pm and therefore difficult to get a taxi! Not back to full blown 'Ig binges' but drank about 1.5l of 5% beer and a rum and 3 glasses of wine when I got home, enough to get me noticeably tipsy. Getting the cold vibes from my wife (maybe its my projection) and admonishments from my 10 year old about stopping drinking and smoking.

Smoked more than a packet yesterday, shall get some more Wellbutrin in Thailand and try again in a couple of weeks.

Smoking, drinking. Mutha@#############$%%$%%#^@$%^&@#$%^&@#$

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Forgot to mention that I took another 30mg (so total of 90mg yesterday) when I got home and that today I'm taking 80mg. Hope it will kick in.

[bleep]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I got all excited and sweaty when I re-read the Oxytocin thing again. This is it, I thought! It seemed Oxytocin was responsible for a lot of the things that baclofen was doing, certainly all the good bits anyway, so I started looking into how that would affect things. Then I realised I'm not a chemist, ffs, I can't even grow my own dope and it's a weed in this part of the world! So I stopped, and calmed down again, and carried on taking baclofen as per normal, which is where I am again

60mg's is a tiny dose, is that what you found indifference at? I can't remember. For me, I have to stick at the dose that I was indifferent at to remain indifferent. Any lower and I find myself mysteriously transported to pubs.

Another thing to think about is to split your dose more regularly, I find it's more effective. Just a thought.

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

bleep;1151042 wrote:

Another thing to think about is to split your dose more regularly, I find it's more effective. Just a thought.

LOL

Not 60mg, I found indifference at 250mg but have retained it whilst I tapered down. I did start noticing new labels on whisky somewhere on the journey but only a few days ago this renewed interest manifested itself as craving/lack of control for alcohol.

Whilst I appreciate the good effect of baclofen I am wary of having to take it at high doses for the rest of my life. I blame some bad business decisions on my increased capacity for empathy and trust, that I too, experienced at high dose. Wonderful feeling but would like to have a bit more control over it (there's that word control again - keeps cropping up when I talk about my aspirations). Generally, I think if there is a drug free alternative, its probably preferable.

I was down to 60mg and although there were signs that I was becoming more interested in booze, I figured, I could handle them. At 40mg, I definitely couldn't! Complete indifference is entirely possible for me with high dose baclofen but I've long considered alcoholism as a personal failing uch: and not entirely ready to let go of that yet :-J (tongue in cheek smilie)

[bleep]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Hmmm. While I've always admired your quest IG, I feel it is at heart a chemical problem. Thus requiring a chemical solution. In whatever dose is necessary to achieve it. Take heart, I'm on 300mg's a day, and a prn dose for me is a swift 150mg's. Which doesn't work.

The SE's all fade with time, the nice ones as well, unfortunately, so you will return to your non-trusting, cynical worldview quite quickly, never fear!

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

bleep;1151063 wrote: I'm on 300mg's a day, and a prn dose for me is a swift 150mg's. Which doesn't work.

you will return to your non-trusting, cynical worldview quite quickly, never fear!

I love the ability to quote you out of context. please forgive. However. I must point out that I'm way ahead of you on the prn dosage. Never could work, ap pro pro our discussion about half life.

Also the cynical world view is no joke for us that have it. I catch myself several, times a day reacting wrongly to an innocent question. Not fair on the other person, not fair on me.

I'm still drinking . even though it was slightly more difficult to convince myself that it was the best thing to do. Maybe 3L of 5% and a glass of wine.

[Bruunhilde]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

I agree bleep that at heart alcoholism is a chemical problem, but at least for me, that relief of a buzz from the hell of life etched deep reward pathways into my grey matter which created die-hard habits. I think the latter is what most people here are loath to give up, when they say they don't want to have to completely stop drinking. They fear the loss of that reward habit that they've looked forward to for so many years. I think half the alcoholic's battle is repathing your reward grooves. In doing that, you have to create new rewards and therefore hopefully new habits and hobbies which can create a new kind of relief and joy. That's what I believe for myself.

[Bruunhilde]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Ig, see if you can't get ten pills of gabapentin to see if it relieves your angst. I swear it helped mine. xxoo

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Bruunhilde;1151330 wrote: I agree bleep that at heart alcoholism is a chemical problem, but at least for me, that relief of a buzz from the hell of life etched deep reward pathways into my grey matter which created die-hard habits. I think the latter is what most people here are loath to give up, when they say they don't want to have to completely stop drinking. They fear the loss of that reward habit that they've looked forward to for so many years. I think half the alcoholic's battle is repathing your reward grooves. In doing that, you have to create new rewards and therefore hopefully new habits and hobbies which can create a new kind of relief and joy. That's what I believe for myself.

Nice thoughtful post Brunn.

If I could I would. I need to delay my reward time for gabapentin a bit.

[Bruunhilde]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Gabapentin isn't really a reward as much as a very suble mood enhancement, for me. That mood lift keeps me from taking every little thing too personally and negatively. Maybe its just the effect of a slow time at work, but maybe its the gabapentin helping me relax. I do know last year at this slow time I was drinking like a fish. Or should I say, like my grandfather.

[ignominious]

Sobriety. From one who knows. A sober point of view.

Bruunhilde;1151344 wrote: Gabapentin.............keeps me from taking every little thing too personally and negatively.

Sounds like it would be a good fit for me but will have to wait for a week 'til I get to Thailand.

Congrats on not emulating your grandfather :H and thanks for the pm. I think I ended up drinking a few more glasses of wine after my post last night but no way of really knowing as its from a box.

I started to get some SEs (buzzy face) as I was popping the last 20mg of my 80 yesterday but nothing to worry about. Hopefully that's a sign that I will start reaping the benefits soon!