Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

:H:H:H
I like the gym. And cheeseburgers. And I love coke. My bike makes my ass hurt.

And if you don't keep up your own thread, it's likely to get hijacked.
Quit drinking? Says the man who kept beers in his refrigerator so he could 'test' the efficacy of the medicine while he punished his body titrating up to 400mg/day.
:H
Love you for that.
Fantastic news about the other stuff. Can't wait for the story.
Sleep is a gift. Glad you're getting some.
OMG, your post cracks me up.
I'm drinking decaf, because I'm out of coffee. Being a good American, I'm going to hop in my car, drive the blocks to Starbucks and pay an exorbitant amount for something with caffeine, maybe chocolate, in it. No whip cream, though. That's over the top.

Edit: I walked. I think it was the reference to our founding fathers.
:H:h

[I-want-to-be-sober]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

@Low: Great that you're indifferent!!! Me too... but I will stay @400mg for 4-6 months. The side effects are pretty benign for me and it's getting better every day.

[seeking_serenity]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Low--I apologize for the threadjack. Will continue it on the Bac & Excercise thread.

Also, great to hear you managed to stay sober with a large trigger! That's wonderful.

[Lo0p]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Sorry! :blush: :H

I'm indifferent too. If you couldn't tell, I don't think much about baclofen and alcohol anymore. :H

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Update Low:

Gee, what's there to update.

It's like reporting about taking a shower. You do it everyday (I hope) but you really can't recall, because it's part of a routine somehow.

But I'll give it my best shot!

From 400, I am down to 150 mg/d. Regarding alcohol it's all the same. No wanting, no needing, no nothing at all. Kind of boring actually I don't want to be a arrogant Ass, but from where I stand now the alcoholdisease!! is nothing more that a little headache, or injury you got from the GYM. Take some rest, swallow the damn pills and it's gone. There's nothing much to it.
I'm the kind of person who thinks that his glass is half-empty instead of half-full. But with this thing I feel fecking convinced that the disease is dealt with and sent to hell.

I can be absolutely angry and mad again without hitting the bottle! Few days ago, I was angry like I haven't been for years. OMG, how mad I was. I did not drink at all. I thought about it, but I could easily decide not to drink. it was not a difficult decision-making process. No craving, not 'that feeling'. But when I have this kind of anger in me and I don't drink, that's a real miracle. Downside is that I stayed angry almost all night, because I didn't pass out

Intellectual abilities have improved a lot, going down from 400 to 150. I feel pretty normal again. Fresh, free, secure. And OMG, how good it feels to sleep again. I used to take sleeping pills before I started the Bac-journey, but I don't need them now. Maybe later again, I don't mind at all btw.

I do not forget EVERYTHING anymore. So memory returns. Even though I left my pretty packed wallet on a table in a restaurant just 3 hours ago (they found it, can pick it up tomorrow).

LoOp: I think i know what you mean. Just wanna have some fun
Sober: wow, that's hardcore. But if you can carry the load, why not?! Better safe than sorry. I think that would be too much for me too handle. It was bareable, but I couldn't function at 400mg/d. I hope you can! I personally believe that it's a good thing to do.
Nev:

Remember: George Jones and Jesus will pull you through. Keep the faith, rise early, work hard, but most of all: keep taking the damn pills.

So, now I'll have dinner. A giant burger wrapped in pizzaslice, with extra cheese. Supersizecoke on the side to make it complete. Just like George and Jesus would have liked it.

Low

[bleep69]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Low, I really like your posts.

Thanks for the update, so very glad to hear you are square...

Go well, friend.

[taw]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Low,

Thanks for the humor and setting everyone straight! Wish I had the stones to do that sometimes...but since I am a chick.....anywho....glad you are well, and look forward to your progress and updates...

PS I am in the states and almost NEVER eat fast food! But message received! I could do with a bit more exercise....

Hoping for a success story like yours!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Hmmm. Your last post sounded an awful lot like a polite kiss goodbye. What's up with that?
I'll remind you of your previous post:

Lowcountryman;1040025 wrote: I'm claiming back my thread!!...
So now people, can we please return, just a littlebit more, to the essence of this forum and MWO? Providing information for those people like us in the world who are looking for some rescue/hope?

So um, where exactly are you going?

Too much else to respond to in the most recent post, too. Nothing arrogant about treating a prob...I mean disease.
Serious bummer about not being able to dissolve the anger. Glad you did it. For sure you're a better man for it, and for that you can be proud! Yay, you!!!
Taking the beloved bac. I'll continue to take it in part because of the people who post here after the switch, that they're doing well... That it's really true! Thanks.
:h
I love the song and I wiki'd George Jones. Here's a great quote:
? Once, when I had been drunk for several days, Shirley decided she would make it physically impossible for me to buy liquor. I lived about eight miles from Beaumont and the nearest liquor store. She knew I wouldn't walk that far to get booze, so she hid the keys to every car we owned and left. But she forgot about the lawn mower. I can vaguely remember my anger at not being able to find keys to anything that moved and looking longingly out a window at a light that shone over our property. There, gleaming in the glow, was that ten-horsepower rotary engine under a seat. A key glistening in the ignition.
I imagine the top speed for that old mower was five miles per hour. It might have taken an hour and a half or more for me to get to the liquor store, but get there I did.[4]"
Yup, he's one of us.

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Good for you Taw. I eat a lot of fastfood sometimes, but I guess I'm one of those lucky bstrds who can have that without gaining weight There really was no message, just wanted to go back to 'our' 'core-business'

Neva, there are a lot of threads about members titrating up, but very little about reaching the 'switch' and/or becoming 'indifferent' and the whole thing that happens afterwards. I really thought that was missing here (and I searched a lot for that). So of course I'll be keeping up with the thread, since I myself I'm pretty sure NOW, but deep down I'm still worried if this is going to last. I know that for some members it lasted. But hey!, that's no garantee for me. I want to titrate down to the lowest dosage Bac possible. I expect there might be some problems there also.

The polite kiss of goodbye

Familiar with that Ne? That is indeed my way of saying goodbye. Very gently saying that I totally lost interest in a woman and nothing in the world would change that. Funny that you recognize that. You're pretty sensitive. Had an gf once, she could see right through me, kept me pretty short. I guess I could never fool her. Still pretty much in love with her after all these years. Of all the others I can hardly remember the names. So ladies, treat a man like a dog, and he'll be loyal as one But this is all pretty off-topic.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Nope, not particularly familiar with polite kisses goodbye. Much more familiar with fiery explosions or just nothing at all. Yes, I'm pretty sensitive. Plus, I think I know our kind, ya' know? So are you. I suspect for the same reasons.
Bad advice, about the dog thing. We all want partners, right? Not blind devotion born of frustration... Just sayin'. Without AL that might just be possible. And if not, we've got MWO.

I'm glad you're in for the long haul. You're right, it's sorely needed.
xo

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Strolling around MWO, it seems that almost everybody who had manageable/bareable SE's, finally got the job done. It looks like more and more members having also succes on long-term. This gives me a lot of hope. I don't know why/where I get this idea, but it's my perception at least.
Members who are preparing stories of their journey, or are planning to write such a story: please do! After all we're all kind of self-chosen lab-rats. So please get it out in the open.
Also those who weren't that 'succesfull', please open up. Tell us what happened, if you'd like to share of course.

I am doing fine still. Had good sleep of more than 10 hours last night! I guess, in the end, the body knows exactly what you need. On 150 mg/d I function well and am down to earth. Planning to go to 120, because right now I'm very busy working, and have no time and or energy to drink. Also don't have no cravings at all. So this might be a good moment to taper down. My dosage has always been a little dependent of other circumstances. When I was sure I could be like a zombie for one week, I'd titrate up a bit harder and be the zombie for the week Maybe a tip: let the SE's be the heaviest when you have nothing else to do

Sunny, congrats!

Low

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

I was going to post google map directions to all the McDonald's in your area! But you've likely already found them.
The only times I've ever gotten really sick overseas was from fast food. Nothing like eating street food in Shanghai for days on end and then missing the last couple of days barfing etc... from a poorly chosen big mac. And of all the things we've managed to export, for good or bad, it's a little disheartening that there is McD's just about everywhere on the planet. Wonder if there is one in Kabul? Will google that shortly.
But I digress, again. Yes, to planning titration around managing SEs. I think.
:h
There are now 2 "KFC" restaurants in Kabul, Afghanistan. But in this case, KFC doesn't stand for Kentucky Fried Chicken, it stands for Kabul Fried Chicken. But no McD's. ha.

[taw]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

How are you doing Low? Still tapering down?

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

I don't want to 'bump' but I thought I'd keep up the thread before it's hi-jacked by gymlovers.

Well, nothing's changed. I tried to recall the taste of a cold beer a few days ago. I couldn't.

So, at 150 mg/d. I feel no SE's at all. Maybe a littlebit happier than I always used to be. No drinking, no craving, not 'that feeling'. Very sharp and clear. I look also 'good'. When looking in the mirror I'm kind of proud of the man staring back at me. I never was insecure or something, but still I like it better this way.
Eyes also look great, they regained some glittering (glance, can't find the english word). Pretty bright anyway.
Sleep is better than it has been the last 15 years.

[Grommet]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Very inspiring Low - both on the no cravings front and the no SE's front.

And by the way, the other day I was going to mention that your eyes are glistening again!

Thanks for checking in and bumping your thread.