Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

[Isolde]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Wow Low, that is really amazing!! Even though I've hit the switch, I don't feel that I'm at the same place that you are.

I'm indifferent on a daily basis, as in it just doesn't occur to me to even think about drinking.

But if I'm going out to dinner in a situation that I normally would have drunk in (that doesn't quite sound right, but close enough), I will think about it ahead of time and sort of ask myself whether or not I will have a drink. It's usually all related to the people that I'm with though - I will overthink what they will think about me not drinking. And so far it has ALWAYS been a non-issue!
But the thought of whether or not to drink is still there for me. Sometimes I'll decide that I will have a drink and then get it and really not care for it at all. I think that's pretty good though, right?

[Bruunhilde]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Wow, Low, cannot imagine. I keep thinking I'll be like Is, always fighting the desire to drink. Is, maybe you didn't hit the BIG switch?

I like the idea of finding a happy dosage. After all, being depressed is what got some of us into this mess.

Also, I read somewhere in MWO that the doctor L says it takes a year to 1.5yrs for the brain to reconfigure. So I'd think staying on that dose for 18 months would be the smart move, then if you want, maybe try going lower.

Thanks for sharing!

[Isolde]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Bruunhilde;1052583 wrote: Wow, Low, cannot imagine. I keep thinking I'll be like Is, always fighting the desire to drink. Is, maybe you didn't hit the BIG switch?

I have been pondering that as well, Bruun. Although now at 180, I really do feel as though I have re-switched. The feeling is similar to what I felt before. Which is kind of like - the SEs are so intense right now, I can't imagine adding alcohol into the mix. It's more than that though, I don't even think about it anymore. It just doesn't cross my mind at all. And last weekend when I "tested" things, I really had to force myself to drink, it wasn't that I was craving, not even remotely.
So I'm really glad I decided to go back up again, especially as the not so great SEs were accompanied by some wonderful ones that I hope I can hang on to!

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Bumping my own thread. I've seen too much despair at the forum the last days/weeks. Newcomers might almost forget that this thing actually works. Maybe it's troubling getting the right amounts in the first place. Then it's a pain to handle the Se's. But, and this I'll promise you, eventually it works. Period. YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE PILLS!!

And further...

No news. I forgot the taste, can't remember the quick highs I got from drinking.

I titrated up a little by the way. I feel better at 150 than I did at 100. So, to keep myself pretty happy, I'll stay there the next 1,5 year. I'm gonna let the Bac change my messed up brains and do the reset.

For newcomers (and this is very much my own opinion, but not a humble one): You don't need will-power. You have a disease. This disease means that your brain is so much fckd up that you can't even use willpower, because your willpower is overruled by another part of the brain. That's why you have a disease. You don't cure diseases by being positive, or praying, or 'willpower', you cure diseases by medicine. That's why people in the developed worlds reach the age of 70 and in Africa 35.

It's called molecular medicine.

Of course there will always be the 10% who can stay abstinent by not taking Bac. No explanation for that on my side

So, If I were God, the garden of Eden would also have a little plant where some Bac was produced. Just in case....

Low

[Longshot]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Hi lowcountryman.

Thanks for the bump. I'm currently at 450mg and drank last night, not pissed pissed, but I got fairly drunk. Really wanted to as well.

Feeling low and pissed off.

I was wondering how long you were at your switch dose for, before the switch happened.

as I mentioned, I'm at 450mg, been drinking and don't feel like the switch has happened and feeling incredibly low and pissed off. Incredible insomnia, feel like I'm at the bottom of a well, would just like some more positive re-reinforcement.

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Hey Longshot,

I got to 400 mg/d. I'm 79 k/g these days. To me it happened very gradually. Not sure for how long I stayed there, but it wasn't for weeks. It was shorter than that.

My God, the insomnia. I sleep like a baby now. I used zolpidem (stilnoct) for years, but now I really don't need them anymore.

Don't know when you'll reach the switch. For me it was just indifference. And even the indifference becomes more indifferent as days pass.

As long as you can stand on your feet, don't have any scary stuff happening to you, you can titrate in my very humble opinion. Even my psychiatrist was willing to prescribe me more as long as I felt ok.

I myself kept on drinking as long as I felt like it. But then again, at the same time I knew I couldn't drink more than I was longing for, and in the end it was fine with me.

Maybe it's kind of progress that you couldn't get pissed the way you wanted to be pissed. So eventually, the brain will no longer be interested in alcohol, because it has learned that there won't be the usual highs anymore. But well, that's just me thinking. No scientific base at all.

Try staying at 450 for a while. If you can't get pissed like you want to, then even the reptile-brain will find it a waste of time. Hopefully!!

[Longshot]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Lowcountryman;1060934 wrote: Hey Longshot,

I got to 400 mg/d. I'm 79 k/g these days. To me it happened very gradually. Not sure for how long I stayed there, but it wasn't for weeks. It was shorter than that.

My God, the insomnia. I sleep like a baby now. I used zolpidem (stilnoct) for years, but now I really don't need them anymore.

Don't know when you'll reach the switch. For me it was just indifference. And even the indifference becomes more indifferent as days pass.

As long as you can stand on your feet, don't have any scary stuff happening to you,

You should read my thread on getting prescribed prozac, it's pretty grim.



I myself kept on drinking as long as I felt like it. But then again, at the same time I knew I couldn't drink more than I was longing for, and in the end it was fine with me.

Maybe it's kind of progress that you couldn't get pissed the way you wanted to be pissed. So eventually, the brain will no longer be interested in alcohol, because it has learned that there won't be the usual highs anymore. But well, that's just me thinking. No scientific base at all.

Try staying at 450 for a while. If you can't get pissed like you want to, then even the reptile-brain will find it a waste of time. Hopefully!!

Yeah after coming home pissed last night the missus has confiscated all bank cards yet again. Can't see me getting out and getting pissed any time soon.

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Sell her rings, get really really pissed in a pub, and when you come home: cry in her arms and tell her you can't help it because you have a disease. I'm sure she'll forgive you.

[Longshot]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Lowcountryman;1060947 wrote: you have a disease. I'm sure she'll forgive you.

Dude she posts here.....

[Lowcountryman]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Oops Longshot, sorry about that

[Longshot]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Lowcountryman;1060952 wrote: Oops Longshot, sorry about that

*L* Oh no it's fine. Now I think it's funny!

[Guest]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Lowcountryman;1060910 wrote: Bumping my own thread. I've seen too much despair at the forum the last days/weeks. Newcomers might almost forget that this thing actually works. Maybe it's troubling getting the right amounts in the first place. Then it's a pain to handle the Se's. But, and this I'll promise you, eventually it works. Period. YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE PILLS!!

And further...

No news. I forgot the taste, can't remember the quick highs I got from drinking.

I titrated up a little by the way. I feel better at 150 than I did at 100. So, to keep myself pretty happy, I'll stay there the next 1,5 year. I'm gonna let the Bac change my messed up brains and do the reset.

For newcomers (and this is very much my own opinion, but not a humble one): You don't need will-power. You have a disease. This disease means that your brain is so much fckd up that you can't even use willpower, because your willpower is overruled by another part of the brain. That's why you have a disease. You don't cure diseases by being positive, or praying, or 'willpower', you cure diseases by medicine. That's why people in the developed worlds reach the age of 70 and in Africa 35.

It's called molecular medicine.

Of course there will always be the 10% who can stay abstinent by not taking Bac. No explanation for that on my side

So, If I were God, the garden of Eden would also have a little plant where some Bac was produced. Just in case....

Low

There have been members drinking on bac this week, to the point of getting drunk including myself when I thought I'd hit the switch for sure. This isn't going to look good to newbies at all and it's made me worry that it might not work for me.

[bleep]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

I'm a 100% confident it works, it's simply a question of taking the pills and getting the dose right. It may not look good, but that's not the point.

Low, I'm pleased for you, and surprised you are able to reduce your dose by so much. A similar experiment for me ended in boozing. Your indifference is just getting better with a bit of practice, by the sounds of it. Shot.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

OMG! Low your thoughts bring such laughter that they bring tears! So subdued about your joy! So practical about being able to live on your own terms. And the sly one-liners! slay me. I love it and am so glad my eyes are glistening just a little.
Now on to complete indifference for me... I want my eyes to be fairly glowing when we meet up, in say, Chicago, in say October. Not that far from the Netherlands, dammit. Just sayin.
Taking the lovely pills, brother, in no small part because of you.
Karen/Ne

[LadyLush]

Well, I'm indifferent (6 jan 2011)

Low,

I am a newcomer on day 3 of Bac. I have studied Baclofen for months and it is a thread like yours that will help me define my journey. There will always be bumps and/or side effects for the person in the game to win.
I am going to win.
I refuse to allow my family to watch me die from alcohol.
I believe in this.


Thanks from the bottom of my heart,

Lady