Olivier Ameisen

[Otter]

I see that someone has decided to put money up for a trial of Baclofen. While this may move things forward Baclofen does not need to be trialled to be prescribed. What is needed is more publicity of this medication.

I went to the Nobel Prize site at The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
Alfred Nobel in his will bequeathed money for a prize in medicine as follows:

“The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: /- - -/ one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine ...”


I think that there is no more important discovery than the use of high dose Baclofen this century. It is one of the most profound and significant developments in medicine ever and I think he should be nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine.

I wonder how one goes about contacting the members of the committee which decides this. Of course, they are all doctors but one does wonder whether one could start a popular campaign to to put pressure on the committee to have him nominated.

I say this because I cannot think of any way to change public opinion and force doctors to start using this treatment.

Anyway, if "Rick Rolling" can get Rick Astley back to the top of the charts and "Rage against the Machine" can beat Simon Cowell to the top of the Christmas charts then maybe the same could be done for Ameisen and Baclofen. It is far more worthwhile and emails are free. If nothing else, it would be a good laugh!

Best Wishes

Otter

[Lo0p]

Olivier Ameisen

I don't know how one proposes a nominee.

OA and baclofen isn't quite to that level yet though. I think it might get there. We need more proof, more time, more studies and more successes.

[Seethepony]

Olivier Ameisen

I don't think it's open to the public, that's for sure. Otherwise Silvio Berluscone would have orchestrated one for himself by now.

Brilliant it may be, of potentially colossal benefit to mankind, undeniably a life saver to me, personally, but I doubt Dr Ameisen's discovery is complicated enough to win a Nobel. Old drug, new usage, no big deal, they'd say. In comparison to this, which nearly made my head fall off when I read it: BBC News - Planck telescope observes cosmic giants

Not comparable, I know. But see what he's up against!

[Guest]

Olivier Ameisen

Well there are so many people here who say Bac saved them, why aren't people putting money where their mouth is? I'm dubious regards bac and so far it's only made me far worse. I don't earn a massive amount but I'm willing to donate say ?500 once I've completed my tax return, towards the study.

Everyone else it's helped here how about you donate the saving of your AF time?it'll help others as well as possibly make Bac more accessible for yourselves.

[Seethepony]

Olivier Ameisen

"why aren't people putting money where their mouth is"

Ha ha! What money?!

I've spent more than a decade funding the German beer industry with everything I've got so my own financial situation is crappy beyond belief. This Facebook dude, on the other hand, could finance ten thousand baclofen trials, and buy a Nobel prize or two for Mr Berlusconi... so why don't you hassle him instead?

(But I think Otter said someone's coughed up the much needed cash already, so we're throwing the thread off topic...)

[Guest]

Olivier Ameisen

I'm not hassling just pointing out something very obvious.

[Seethepony]

Olivier Ameisen

I was speaking with tongue in cheek (my own cheek, as well). Not really accusing you of hassling anyone.

Sorry to hear you're having such a hard time with the baclofen. But I don't think anyone's got instant results. All I can advise is patience...and fingers crossed.

[37degrees]

Olivier Ameisen

There are 3000 people who nominate for the Nobel for Medicine. You can be a nominator if you had previously won a Nobel Prize. Or if you are on the top faculty at the Karolinska Institute. Or be on a list of invitees assembled by said faculty.

(OT: Very early in my career 2 guys at my university were nominated for the Nobel in the same year. It can't be all that a secret process if they could just announce it at a faculty meeting. Being young, I didn't think it was that big a deal if not one, but two, people I occasionally talk with get nominated. Of course, I haven't work with any other nominees since.)

Yes, Zuckerberg or Gates can fund a BAC (or any other) study out of their pocket change. But they won't. The best hope for a large clinical study is still thru the traditional route: ambitious assistant professor at a "name" university getting a grant from NIH or similar agency.

[bleep69]

Olivier Ameisen

Nobel Prize, knighted and canonized if this works for me, plus any other awards I may have missed out.

It is really a crappy indictment of the whole system if this isn't heard about more, simply because it can't be patented.

[bleep69]

Olivier Ameisen

37degrees;1039984 wrote: There are 3000 people who nominate for the Nobel for Medicine.

One of them is bound to be an alcoholic, maybe there's hope...

[Greg]

Olivier Ameisen

Even if there is no Nobel Prize in it, a trial would at least help by showing "real proof" that high-dose baclofen works. I thought there was already another trial done fairly recently, with results announced on this forum, but maybe not.

Currently, almost all doctors probably have the attitude my addiction specialist told me....that it's an unproven treatment using an off-label medication at off-label doses (his words). Expecting a doctor to prescribe the treatment because we can quote one man's book and some forum posts is, unfortunately, not going to cut it with most doctors. Anything that adds official medical support to baclofen treatment has to be a step in the right direction, although with such a destructive illness as alcoholism, people who could have benefitted may no longer be with us to try it once it has become mainstream.

[Guest]

Olivier Ameisen

Greg;1040079 wrote: Even if there is no Nobel Prize in it, a trial would at least help by showing "real proof" that high-dose baclofen works. I thought there was already another trial done fairly recently, with results announced on this forum, but maybe not.

Currently, almost all doctors probably have the attitude my addiction specialist told me....that it's an unproven treatment using an off-label medication at off-label doses (his words). Expecting a doctor to prescribe the treatment because we can quote one man's book and some forum posts is, unfortunately, not going to cut it with most doctors. Anything that adds official medical support to baclofen treatment has to be a step in the right direction, although with such a destructive illness as alcoholism, people who could have benefitted may no longer be with us to try it once it has become mainstream.

EXACTLY.