Indifference.

[terryk]

Indifference.

Chi;1089929 wrote: All this GABA stuff gets confusing, for me anyway.

It's amazing really that given how AL affects GABA that AL withdrawal doesn't last longer, although I realize AL withdrawal can also be dangerous.

Gaba-a (alcohol and to a lesser extent benzo) withdrawal has been extensively studied because there have been many manifestations of them for some time and detox protocols have been developed accordingly. GHB withdrawal and maybe some Intracathecal Baclofen withdrawal are probably some of the first cases of Gaba-b withdrawal that doctors are seeing in ERs around the world. Safe protocols for them have yet to be proven. There might be a quicker way to taper off baclofen, but there is no proven protocol yet. -tk

[Bruunhilde]

Indifference.

bleepy, glad your little experiment met with no issue. Phew.

How's the diet? I'm struggling to lose pounds here, but sticking to the main diet although going over with the protein today (didn't measure!!!!) and eating 2/3 of a chocolate bar (sugar free), but it has MANITOL which I'm trying to counteract with ground flax seed and psyllium. Har har har.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Terry and Chi, thanks for all the discussion. It's a very interesting aspect of baclofen, one that in the coming months I am going to tinker around with. I would want to know what the absolute fastest I could titrate down safely is, amongst other things. How long to zero safely? Some interesting points raised by Guardian in that thread.

Bruun, I sort of gave up quite quickly. I'm eating quite healthily for the first time in my life though, lots of fruit and vegetables. so I'll see where that takes me first. If I see no results, I'll reassess. I must say, I feel pretty good, this eating right makes quite a big difference! Who would have thought?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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bleep;1090285 wrote: Who would have thought?

That is one resounding theme for me in this journey!

:h

[Bruunhilde]

Indifference.

So true, Nev, so true.

And bleep, the diet thing is amazing. I used to eat very healthy but 20 years ago healthy included a half turkey sandwich on whole grain bread with sprouts, cucumbers, avocado, tomato, onions and no mayo. My version of that today would be without the bread and may I say, it makes a world of difference. I miss that bread, though, loved that stuff. Maybe it was an addiction. I'd rather have a piece of that bread than a beer right now.

Who'd have thunk?

[Chi]

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bleep;1090285 wrote: Terry and Chi, thanks for all the discussion. It's a very interesting aspect of baclofen, one that in the coming months I am going to tinker around with. I would want to know what the absolute fastest I could titrate down safely is, amongst other things. How long to zero safely? Some interesting points raised by Guardian in that thread.

I agree about the points raised by Guardian, and I also noted some had more trouble going down that up.... that kind of worries me. I do not like that bac is physically addictive. I accept it, but I don't like it.

I hope more people will post on that thread. I remain confused about the maintenance dose, and how long one should stay there, etc...

[bleep]

Indifference.

For sure, it's definitely a thread that requires some more thought to go into it. It is a highly neglected, but very important facet of baclofen.

Bruun, what is the other half of a half turkey sandwich? Is bread really that bad? Can't you just eat brown bread?

Ne, this "Who would have thought?" thing has actually rocked my world a little. It would appear that many of my decisions that have bought me to this place in life could have benefited from a little thought! A small amount of judicious thought seems to go a hell of a long way. Now the trick seems to be to get it before the fact!

[Bruunhilde]

Indifference.

Most bread is bad for those of us who are magnets to excess fat. If it doesn't make you fat, no worries. I always ate it as a source of protein and because it filled me up. And I loooooooove it. If you get it so healthy you hate it, might as well not eat it. I ate sugarfree whole wheat/oat bread or multigrain. The type that is really better for you is sprouted bread, like Ezekiel brand. I find just eliminating the bread goes a long way to making the sandwich a diet meal.

To answer your other question - the other half sandwich was my Mom's lunch. :l

[bleep]

Indifference.

I have just had a thought (it happens, stop laughing).

It probably doesn't apply to those in the States and other very developed countries, but it might be a worldwide phenomena. Let's assume that Time magazine runs a story tomorrow - "Baclofen cures Alcoholism!" What do you imagine will be the effect on the global supply of baclofen? You won't be able to get your hands on baclofen for months while they increase production to cope with demand.

It's a wonderful thought, but very scary for those of us currently on it. Am I imaging this?

[Bruunhilde]

Indifference.

And the MWO thread for side effects would require a second server!

[bleep]

Indifference.

Well, last night was a bit of a glitch.

I was entertaining some overseas visitors from work, and we went out for dinner. I got hammered. For some reason, that was actually my plan. Can't work out why.

It ruined my month of AF, which was going along quite nicely. I can't work out whether it was fiddling with my dose over the weekend, dropping too fast, or my new method of taking fewer, but higher doses. At the moment, going up isn't an option, due to a very short supply of baclofen, so I can't test that. I am also reluctant to return to constant dosing, this new method is much more convenient. If that is what it takes, however, then so be it.

I can see Tiptronic shaking his head, muttering about the toolbox, and a bit of backbone! But having achieved indifference, and seeing how effortless it is, I am too lazy to bring other methods into play. If I get the dose right, everything will fall into place.

Would really like to crawl back to bed this morning though. Alas, a busy day calls.

[Murphyx]

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Before tinkering with your dose, see how you feel over the next few days. Don't assume you'll want to get pissed from now on.

Getting a lash on when you're entertaining overseas visitors is usually a given isn't it? Just a theory but maybe this is just normal behaviour.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Certainly these visitors. They are a hard drinking crowd, and expect to be entertained. I was actually worried I wouldn't be able to do it. How the times have changed! I like how these episodes no longer alarm me - the first time it happened, I was convinced that was me finished!

Hopefully you are right Murph, we'll see how it goes...

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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bleep, my friend, this post is for you and you alone.

Dude. Seriously. Quit fecking with your dosing. Seriously.

Stay at one level. Stay there. Until someone, anyone, gives you permission to change it.

Drink, don't drink. I don't care. Quit fecking with the bac and then you'll know why, how and what to do when you find yourself getting drunk. I'm pretty damn sure the answer is NOT the circle (jerk!) of going up, going down, changing times and dosages in order to ... what? I'm not sure.

Yes, I'm being rude and whatever. I'm not apologizing and I'm not sorry.

This is my cerebellum talking to your cerebellum. (one of my favorite things the Good Doc said to me! )
Thank goodness you can't get your hands on enough bac to play around AGAIN! But for goodness' sake, would you get some way for someone to send you some???

Love,
Ne's cerebellum

[bleep]

Indifference.

I hear you Ne! I just want to know more about baclofen, seeing as I'm probably going to be taking it for ever. That's where I am coming from with these strange little ideas.

But you're right - there is a whole lifetime to find all this out, so for the time being I'll relax.

Thanks for pointing this out.