Indifference.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Indifference.

Thank f. lol

[Road to Recovery]

Indifference.

Murphyx;1092396 wrote: Before tinkering with your dose, see how you feel over the next few days. Don't assume you'll want to get pissed from now on.

Getting a lash on when you're entertaining overseas visitors is usually a given isn't it? Just a theory but maybe this is just normal behaviour.

Bleep,
IMO, If you are indifferent on bac, you should have easily been able to not drink. This notion that one is indifferent and yet still wants to drink because drinking is "normal" does not jive with me. 99.9% of us came here to stop drinking because it was taking over our lives. I dont think we started taking baclofen so we could keep drinking and call it being normal - again My Opinion. Baclofen should not be used as an excuse to keep drinking - it is meant to help us stop drinking (IMO!) This battle sucks and to hear people say that we should be able to keep drinking because it's normal frustrates me but I guess we all have our feelings towards alcohol.
Good luck

[bleep]

Indifference.

Ne, why'd you get rid of all the expletives? Your post has lost its punch

Road, I keep changing my mind on this. Baclofen has turned me into a "normal" drinker. Abstinence was never a goal of mine. I do know that when I have been indifferent, I have physically been unable to drink enough to get drunk. One glass, and I'm done. Being drunk is unpleasant these days, so I tend to avoid it.

Last night was definitely different, the beers were sliding down in a way that I have become unfamiliar with. Ne is right, I need to solidify my dose and leave all experiments alone for a little while.

Thank you for you thoughts.

[Guest]

Indifference.

bleep;1092601 wrote: Ne, why'd you get rid of all the expletives? Your post has lost its punch

Road, I keep changing my mind on this. Baclofen has urned me into a "normal" drinker. Abstinence was never a goal of mine. I do know that when I have been indifferent, I have physically been unable to drink enough to get drunk. One glass, and I'm done. Being drunk is unpleasant these days, so I tend to avoid it.

Last night was definitely different, the beers were sliding down in a way that I have become unfamiliar with. Ne is right, I need to solidify my dose and leave all experiments alone for a little while.

Thank you for you thoughts.

I have had this too on 3 occasions since I felt I became 'indifferent' to alcohol. The first 2 occasions I thought I'd just become a normal drinker who got drunk, had a bit of a hangover but was ok the other days of the week. It has progressed to more than this though. I could blame it on reducing the dosing, but the first two occasions happened at 180, and for 5 days either side of this once again I was not bothered by alcohol not thoughts of drinking. I will admit after reading posts on here I started to argue that this was ok, that I was merely a normal drinker again. I'm not and it has progressed just as it did in the pastt. This is why I thought I should go up, but it was suggested because I'd been indifferent for many days before as well as afterwards that I had switched, plus my intolerable sides that I should go down.

It's all a mystery to me since some do acheive sobriety, some moderate and others like Bleep, myself and NE seem to have binge episodes mixed in.

[Murphyx]

Indifference.

Hmmmmm

[Murphyx]

Indifference.

Road to Recovery;1092586 wrote: This notion that one is indifferent and yet still wants to drink because drinking is "normal" does not jive with me.

When you are cured of alcoholism by baclofen, you return to the previous non-alcoholic state. The way you were before your genes/chemistry/environment/love of partying caused you to become an alcoholic. What happens after that is up to you. If you are comfortable being teetotal then I totally respect that, but it's not necessary imo. If you wish to have one drink occasionally then that is also an option, as is the occasional piss-up.

Personally, I have no desire to get drunk, in fact the thought of drinking to excess repulses me, but that doesn't mean that I have to be afraid of the prospect. I know my mind and my body. I know how different I am now and I know what I can and can not do. I know that if I should get drunk, I won't descend into alcoholism. I know that when I have a glass of ale in the evening, I enjoy the taste and I stop before I get any sort of buzz off it. I don't drink for the buzz. I have no desire for the buzz. But if I do one day decide I would like to experience the buzz one more time, then I will do, knowing that I can if I so wish, without fear.

A normal relationship with alcohol is living without the need for alcohol and without fear of alcohol.

To achieve this relationship you need to take baclofen until you reach indifference, then after a period of time you titrate down and find your maintenance dose and STAY ON THAT DOSE, otherwise you will revert back to your alcoholic mindset and fear alcohol.

All of this is of course my personal opinion, I am not a medical professional and I am not offering advice to any impressionable people...blah, blah, blah.

[Guest]

Indifference.

So if Bleep has gotten drunk does that mean he isn't indifferent?Or does it mean he is 'normal' now.

I know that the day before I got drunk, and the day leading up to it I was thinking about alcohol in the same way as before. So perhaps I haven't switched, which is scary since I was ok for about 3 weeks thinking I had switched yet people here post after only a day or two without thinking about alcohol.

There obviously isn't an acid test for this at all.

[Murphyx]

Indifference.

UK, I think Bleep has already explained his situation regarding changing dosages. I have absolutely no understanding of your situation. Sorry. I strongly recommend that you seek medical advise.

[Guest]

Indifference.

Murphyx;1092678 wrote: UK, I think Bleep has already explained his situation regarding changing dosages. I have absolutely no understanding of your situation. Sorry. I strongly recommend that you seek medical advise.

Murphy I merely referring to Bleep's situation and trying to understand that, especially since he is also trying to understand his own reaction to Baclofen.

As I have posted today I've already sought medical advice(as I did previously indicate I was about to) just over 1 week ago, and my Doctor is off trying to find out more since she doesn't have the knowledge for the level of dosing involved. I am therefore currently awaiting her response on this.

[Road to Recovery]

Indifference.

Murphyx;1092665 wrote: When you are cured of alcoholism by baclofen, you return to the previous non-alcoholic state. The way you were before your genes/chemistry/environment/love of partying caused you to become an alcoholic.
A normal relationship with alcohol is living without the need for alcohol and without fear of alcohol.

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I do not believe that there is anything written anywhere that says Baclofen is a cure from alcoholism -if it was a cure one would not need to keep taking it - please correct me if I am wrong. Alcoholics are not "wired" to have what you would call a "normal" relationship with alcohol. Who is to say that continuing to drink while on baclofen will not eventually make baclofen less effective?

[JohnR]

Indifference.

Ukblonde;1092675 wrote: There obviously isn't an acid test for this at all.

I agree and doctors do not know the answer to this either. Yet.

[PbarE]

Indifference.

bleep;1092390 wrote: Well, last night was a bit of a glitch.

I was entertaining some overseas visitors from work, and we went out for dinner. I got hammered. For some reason, that was actually my plan. Can't work out why.

It ruined my month of AF, which was going along quite nicely. I can't work out whether it was fiddling with my dose over the weekend, dropping too fast, or my new method of taking fewer, but higher doses. At the moment, going up isn't an option, due to a very short supply of baclofen, so I can't test that. I am also reluctant to return to constant dosing, this new method is much more convenient. If that is what it takes, however, then so be it.

I can see Tiptronic shaking his head, muttering about the toolbox, and a bit of backbone! But having achieved indifference, and seeing how effortless it is, I am too lazy to bring other methods into play. If I get the dose right, everything will fall into place.

Would really like to crawl back to bed this morning though. Alas, a busy day calls.

Keep your head up, bleepster. Just a minor setback, which sets you up to have a major comeback. Having said that, I do firmly believe in the toolbox approach. It appears to work for those who employ it.

[Murphyx]

Indifference.

Road to Recovery;1092692 wrote: I do not believe that there is anything written anywhere that says Baclofen is a cure from alcoholism -

Ummm, there's a book called "The End of My Addiction: How One Man Cured Himself of Alcoholism", maybe you've heard of it? :H Seriously though, baclofen gets rid of alcoholism, so 'cure' or not is just semantics. But YOU NEED TO KEEP TAKING IT:

Here's a quote that you might personally find interesting:
Interviewer: "To stay free from addiction, does a person need to keep taking baclofen?"
Ameisen: "Yes, it?s like taking insulin for diabetes or medicines for other chronic conditions like hypertension."

[Guest]

Indifference.

So why do some say you only need to take Baclofen for a year or so, then can titrate off it completely?

[Murphyx]

Indifference.

Ukblonde;1092747 wrote: So why do some say you only need to take Baclofen for a year or so, then can titrate off it completely?

Who says that?