Indifference.

[LittleLessBoozin']

Indifference.

bleep;1105477 wrote: The miracle arrived. Driving home, I passed a pharmacy that all the other pharmacies had said not to bother with. I thought there would be no harm in trying, and was very surprised when she handed over a fistful of baclofen, at the old prices as well! So the disaster has been averted for the time being.

I still need to sort out my supply lines though - there's no way I can rely on this lot to do it for me. Exactly how I will do this I haven't worked out yet, but at least I have some time to think about it now.

What this has done is aroused my curiosity about tapering down. What is a safe speed at which it can be done, I wonder. Dropping my dose today dramatically was unpleasant, I felt unsettled the whole day, although whether this was due to my situation, or the reduction, I couldn't say. While the experiment would be a good one, I'm sick to death of having different doses all the time, it is playing with my head, so I will leave it for another time.

I look forward to the time when my supply is all sorted, and I can just sit at the correct dose for a while.

Hi Bleep,

For what it's worth, Dr. L and I discussed this last week. Based upon his experience, he advises tapering down exactly the same as tapering up- 20mg each week.

Cheers,

Paul.

[beatle]

Indifference.

I'm trying to get a little bit on top of (or out from under) all that has happened here.

So, bleep, you had a great trip (great photos!), no al problems, despite all triggers and availability -- this is amazing. Simply amazing (for me, anyway).

And now, it seems you have found a little respite from your impending crisis situation.

The achilles heel obviously remains the crisis situation possibility (which has only been put off, a bit, right?), which could (and will most likely), reoccur?

Please update us on what you can do, what we can do, and what is possible in terms of this.

(I may be writing this on the wrong thread... I can't keep track now in my haste to read through everything)

[bleep]

Indifference.

Thanks for the well wishes everyone!

I definitely see this as a temporary reprieve, and have decided I can't rely on these muppets for something as important as this, so will still be trying to work out a long-term solution. I want to have 6 months of baclofen sitting in my safe, if possible. That's quite a lot of baclofen though (54 000mg's!), so if I manage I'll let you know how, and others who live in such postally challenged places can follow suit.

It would be hard to describe my feelings of relief when she handed the baclofen across. I was really not looking forward to this particular experiment! None of the chemists here seem to realise the seriousness of the situation. When I told my normal chemist that I'd end up in hospital, she just nodded, and said what a shame it was that we were having these difficulties. I felt like strangling her! How hard can it be to get this right, it's their business, for gods sake?!

[ignominious]

Indifference.

Glad that the crisis has been averted but got to add that it's a bit of an anti climax for my daily episode of the 'indifference' thread!

Just a note on the GHB. Just because you take it a couple of times you don't need to sign up to the 24/7 out of your head club and travel the continent looking for raves to go to!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Indifference.

I know, I know. The world is a big place and there are lots of different realities. But I live in a place that the post comes, despite "snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night, nor the winds of change, nor a nation challenged..." (which is just funny, since my mail carrier often forgets the keys to my building and so just doesn't deliver on that day!)

Still. Is it possible, really, that FedEx doesn't get through???

sheesh. I hope I live long enough to see Star Trek transporters, but in the meantime, how the hell do we get you some legit bac if the other stuff falls through???

[bleep]

Indifference.

Hah, that must be nice. In the best of weather, our post is a 50/50 thing. To the point where we simply don't use it anymore. I recently heard reports of people using it to good effect, so though it was worth a bash. Sadly, nothing has developed yet.

FedEx might get here. Our customs people can confiscate with absolute impunity though, and there is no recourse. Still, it's worth a shot.

My plan, such as it is, is forming along these lines - I am going to find a relative or friend in South Africa who is prepared to receive an absolutely extraordinary amount of baclofen for me. Somewhere in the region of 20 000mg's. I want to find out why people in SA are having trouble with online shipments first though, the last thing I want to happen is that my $1000's of baclofen has been confiscated. I'll then fly down there and pick it up personally, and just sneak it back through the border. This doesn't bother me at all, customs officials are evil, and it will be great fun to outsmart them.

There are obviously loopholes galore. In fact, there are more holes than there is plan, so I need to iron it out. Will an online pharmacy sell that much to an individual? That's going to be a stumbling block I think. Getting it into SA will be another, it will be hard to explain personal use for such a quantity. Maybe I have to fly to some seedy country with lax laws. A trip to India?

I'm typing this off the top of my head, just trying to come up with some scheme to insure myself against the incompetency of this place. Suggestions welcome!

Sorry for the anticlimax Ig. Some sad part of me was looking forward to it as well!

[bleep]

Indifference.

Woohoo! A parcel arrived today! Our postal service works, I thought. Never again will I swear them out, I take back all the nasty things I have ever said about them. Many, many thanks to the person who sent them!

Then I opened the parcel, and found I was not the first person to do so. Of the 3 000mg's sent, someone helped themselves to 1 580mg's. As to why, we'll never know. I can only hope they were stolen by an alcoholic, who accidentally cures himself, although it's unlikely. I went back to the post office, and said I wanted to file a complaint, and the guy behind the counter looked back at me with a blank face. Apparently, no such procedure exists.

Whatever, this extra baclofen means I can safely go to my comfortable dose of 300mg's, and sit there for a while. I feel the gods are smiling on me, everything has worked out perfectly, although a little drama with the timings would have been nice.

It's also showed that it is possible to get baclofen into the country, so I am cooking up more schemes at a furious rate of knots.

[beatle]

Indifference.

Hi Bleep!

Great news! Things are certainly looking up, but...

...that buys you about 2 more weeks, right?

And I don't know how much that "fistfull" was that you got at that non-phone-answering pharmacy (probably missed it somewhere). Nonetheless, this hardly constitutes a stash. It's like the Homeland Security Terror Alert Chart being downgraded from Severe (risk) to High (risk).

And I don't quite understand your South Africa plan. If SA baccers are having problems with shipments doesn't that pretty much nip the plan in the bud? And don't you think a huge shipment would attract more scrutiny and bigger problems? And if they confiscate it, do you have any recourse? Or do you just lose it?

And no matter what, going out of and/or into a country with that much of any drug, or tablet of anything, runs a high risk of attracting attention (and most likely will get confiscated (at least for a time)?) and get you into trouble. I don't think these are loopholes as you say, they are the opposite. Very big pitfalls. (and a lot of them).

The immediate, stop-gap plan, which you have already begun, is to have other people get baclofen for you and send it in small batches at different times, so it doesn't arouse suspicion, and so that at least some of it gets through. This seems a far less risky way, with fewer and smaller pitholes. I know this is a clumsy plan (then again, how elegant a plan is it to smuggle drugs across African borders, or fly to "seedy countries with lax laws" and smuggle suitcases full of white tablets into Zim?)

Also perhaps a little unelegant to write: "A trip to India?" after "Seedy countries with lax laws" -- "seedy" is def derogatory and probably an unfairly used term for India if you are comparing it with the some other countries in the world. (You may also want to consider what kind of country you are smuggling it into )

Anyway, I think the alternate plan is more realistic to build up a stash, although obviously you cannot depend on that for the long term -- just to build up a supply. In the meantime, you can investigate (cook up your schemes) as to how to make it permanent.

btw, I might fancy a trip to Zim, but I wouldn't risk taking 20,000 mg of bac in my suitcase... might put a damper on the holiday:upset: EDIT (ADD, actually): I just realized how little 20,000 pills looks in containers... I think it could be done (probably more, even). But that will only get you through about 2 months (66.66666666667 days) right?

But I will try to help you in other ways (the trip to Zim not being a realistic option in the near future).

(And maybe I just wasted a whole heap of time on this post because you just found out there had been a little problem with the manufacture and now that is solved and the shipments will be coming through now no problem.)

[bleep]

Indifference.

Beatle, all good points.

I didn't mean to imply "seedy." It was a poor choice of words.

My thinking is that it will take too long to build up a back-up supply (I hesitate to use the word stash again. It implies seediness, but that's what it is though, a stash??) by doing it in small batches. They help, definitely, and it is a viable option. Certainly once I have my back-up, they are what I'll need to keep it up.

However, I travel to SA often for business, so it wouldn't be a special trip. Taking a large amount through customs worries me not at all - I have regularly traveled through with dubious substances, and also with duty "imperfections", let's call them. Smuggling is a way of life here, given our governments attitude to imposing repressive duty structures on everything, just to make a buck.

The SA part of the plan is still under construction. There are a few neighbouring countries that I can use for this, no firm plans in mind yet.

My thinking is for a long term solution. People are happy to help, but asking someone to continually post dribbles of baclofen for the rest of their life will wear down even the hardiest of souls, so I need to come up with something that negates this. Even the 20 000mg's plan will not work long-term, it is there to build the back-up only.

It is very frustrating that this is such a difficult thing to organise. I look forward to the day when it all just works.

The pharmacies supplying dribbles is indeed still a problem. Just getting baclofen means that I am in a more comfortable position though. I'm also reassured that the post does at least get through, albeit with a "tax" All this combines to make me feel more hopeful.

Thanks for posting, it certainly wasn't a waste of time. At least someone is reading this!

[Murphyx]

Indifference.

bleep;1107390 wrote:

Thanks for posting, it certainly wasn't a waste of time. At least someone is reading this!

Oh we're all reading it, you big girl's blouse. We're just not necessarily posting, because we might not have anything useful to add. Like me.

I don't know how you can resolve this issue. Africa is a strange, strange place to me and your ways are not my ways. And I got completely disillusioned with Zimbabwe when Uncle Bob, the hero of my revolutionary (Marxist Leninist with a Maoist bent:H) youth, turned out to be a complete nutter.

Anyhoo, if I was getting the same sort of grief in UK as you are in Zim, I'd hop on a plane to Spain (where apparently you can buy bac OTC) and stock up that way. Is there a country near you that allows sales of bac without presciption?

[bleep]

Indifference.

I hear you Murph - but there is something terrifyingly disheartening about about posting an update, and another one, and another one, and just seeing little chameleons running down the page all in a row.

That's actually a good idea, thanks. While I doubt that's actually the case, you never know, so I'll look into it.

[tiptronic_ct]

Indifference.

bleep;1109034 wrote: just seeing little chameleons running down the page all in a row.

It gives lurkers the opportunity to see if your avatar changes its colours in the same sequence or not.

I've found another brand of bac on the SA market, by the way: Teva Baclofen. It is slightly (very slightly) less expensive than Bio-Baclofen. Ask for it the next time you may have to import an emergency supply, although all fingers crossed that it won't happen.

No news on my latest attempt to get a delivery through from Inhouse. It's approaching three weeks, so I'm not all that hopeful. The optimist in me tells me that Customs also took a break over Easter and over the subsequent long weekend. We'll see.

[Doggygirl]

Indifference.

bleep, UNBELIEVABLE what you are having to go through!!!!!

DG

[libmit]

Indifference.

Bleep,
Glad you got at least a little supply lined up. I was thinking along the same lines as Murphy - a trip to Spain or India where I think it's OTC. Another option would be to find a friend who is a flight attendant or pilot, or a friend who knows a flight attendant/pilot. I have a friend who happens to fly to India regularly as a flight attendant and she was very willing to purchase nal for me. I may be hitting her up for bac soon. Seems there has to be some solution for you.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Tip, that's great news. Anything down from the $1.35 for a SINGLE pill is a step in the right direction. If I get my supply sorted out, I'll let you know the details, and your kids can afford to go back to school.

DG, it's just one of the many joys of living in a 3rd world country. I'm used to it, but normally it's just inconvenient, so we put up with it. Having to rely on it for something so crucial is wearying, to say the least! Hence all these schemes!

Libmit, that's a really good idea! I'll have to start hanging around the airport, chatting up the air hostesses, I'm sure my wife will understand! No wait, I actually know a pilot - I'll try and track him down. Thanks, I would never have thought of that.