Indifference.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Wine has a very short half-life in the bleep household. We tend to drink boxed wine (or did) because of the quantities I consumed. Now I'd be scared to buy a good bottle - I'd get a glass, then the rest would vanish before I could muster the enthusiasm for a second glass!

[Isolde]

Indifference.

bleep;1049560 wrote: gratitude, that's exactly what I'm trying to do, abstinence was never a goal. Saying that, no booze tonight simply because I can't be bothered. Soon we'll be discussing various coffee's here, then its over for this thread!

I love coffee!
And I'm consuming a lot more of it since I started on bac!

:cupajoe: quickly turns into :whee:

coffeecoffeecoffeebuzzbuzzbuzz!!!

The funny thing is that I'm drinking it more out of necessity now than anything, to fight the bac somnolence. Otherwise, it would quickly go the way of booze and food - no compulsion.

[Bminor]

Indifference.

Lo0p;1049507 wrote: I have thoughts about drinking all the time!!! Well not much anymore, but I still get them.

I think it's hilarious! They go like this:

"Hmm...Would a glass of wine be good right now? Maybe."

Then I can't help it, I just start cracking up because it's too funny.

"Yeah fuggng right dude, you could pour yourself a glass of fine Russian River Valley Pinot right now and smell it (you might even like the smell), taste it (it will probably be DAMN good too) but you know you're gonna find it 5 hours later when it's time to go to bed where you last left it and try to pawn it off on your sister! She might drink it so at least you don't have to pour it down the drain."

More uncontrollable laughter.

"And then wtf are you gonna do with the rest of the bottle? You'll only ever drink fine wine anymore because you can't stand 95% of the crap that comes in a bottle anymore. How long will it last in your cupboard? You could give it to friends when they come over I guess."

And then then nail in the coffin.

"Can you seriously picture yourself putting your shoes on, driving to the store, walking down that aisle, looking at all of the bottles, picking one that you like (in spite of the enormous price tag) coming home and still not losing interest? Yeah right dude. You'll be standing in that aisle for 45 minutes, picking a bottle up, reading it, feeling luke-warm or cold about it and putting it back. Rinse and repeat."

I often enjoy it to no end when I get these thoughts, it usually brightens my day. :rofl2:

That my friends, is what it feels like.

That was fucking hilarious :H

[bleep]

Indifference.

Some SE's to report:

I'm still on 360mg's broken down into 12 x 30. Taking these is no problem, I'm sleeping at most 4 hours a night (normal is probably 7 hours). I'm not really tired in the day, so this is good, for now. There will doubtless be a price to pay down the road...

Massive constipation. 5 days and counting, despite taking laxatives.

I've been on this dose pretty much for a few days now (it varies slightly, if I am asleep over a dosing time, I'll take it when I wake up, so some days there are 10 or 11 times I take pills. The stoned feeling has still not gone away. Neither has the stoned look. When the pills kick in I look really stoned, which is very inconvenient at work. I wonder what they must think? I have tried to lock myself away in my office when this happens, but that's often not possible.

Increased eloquence, despite what others may report.

Periods of euphoria, where I find myself giggling away to myself for no reason.

On the whole, positive sides.

My original plan was to go up slightly. I'm not sure that will be necessary. Perhaps I'll stay at this dose for a while, haven't decided yet.

[redhead77]

Indifference.

Ummmmm yeah. Now I'm freaking. I'm glad you can look stoned and be worried, but still stay at work and hide away. I don't know what I'm going to do in a few weeks. I can't hide from anyone, I deal directly with the public. On top of that, if I look stoned, they might think I'm stoned, and I could be pulled in for drug testing and major interrogation. I'm a medical professional, and I'm not allowed to be stoned or look stoned at work. I'll lose my job, maybe even my license if they could prove I was working under a mind altering drug. This is very disturbing. I knew the side effects could be bad, but to need to take drugs every 2 hours to hit the switch? That's nuts. I could never do that at work. Stoned lookes and behavior aside, I am too busy to remember to take drugs every 2 hours. Do I need to leave my job to be able to get sober, at least with baclofen?

[I-want-to-be-sober]

Indifference.

Side effects are not the same for everyone. When I was @400mg I didn't look stoned, nobody could tell I was taking something. Baclofen can not be detected with standard drug tests by the way. I doubt one has to take the drug every 2 hours, 4 times a day seems ok for me at high doses. Others have reached the switch without popping a pill 12 times a day.

[redhead77]

Indifference.

Did you reach the switch I want to be sober?

[bleep]

Indifference.

redhead, I had an important meeting just after I had increased my dose, and was looking worse than ever. The stoned feeling and look is incredibly dose dependent - baclofen takes about 3 or 4 hours to hit you, so work backwards from there, and adjust your work related dosages accordingly. 3 hours before you leave work, start increasing your dose, and 4 hours before you start, decrease it. You'll notice immediate changes.

Also, because you are taking relatively less at work, you are "more normal" then. Experiment on the weekend to gain confidence with the method.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Just today, funnily enough, my wife commented that I wasn't looking stoned anymore! Hallelujah.

[bleep]

Indifference.

As sober said, my 12 times daily schedule is probably a bit extreme, there's no need to go that far. That will give you even more control as to what to take during working periods.

[Lo0p]

Indifference.

redhead, I've been taking baclofen for 1 1/2 years and I've taken MANY different brands. Only ONE of them made me feel like I was stoned (and it was icky :yuk: ). My experience with that is all explained here in this thread: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...fen-46174.html

[I-want-to-be-sober]

Indifference.

redhead77;1049711 wrote: Did you reach the switch I want to be sober?

I thought I had reached it, because I didn't drink for the longest time ever without much effort thanks to baclofen treatment, but had a 2-day relapse @400mg. As my Pdoc won't prescribe more than that I'm now carefully tapering off to save some bac and then go up again pretty fast to 600mg (~6mg/kg) and stay there for maybe two weeks hoping for the switch. I tolerate very high doses good.

Sober

[bleep]

Indifference.

Sober, would it be feasible for you to call Dr L. and get a second prescription?

[I-want-to-be-sober]

Indifference.

I think it's the easiest way to take some weeks off, save enough baclofen and then restart.

[bleep]

Indifference.

I went and saw a doctor friend of mine, both to drop off some baclofen literature and to tell him about my switch. He was aware of my experiment, I had cornered him in a pub a few nights ago (the window night) and explained the whole thing. He seemed interested but dubious at the time. No real surprise, considering where we were!

Anyway, to his credit, this time he was extremely interested, and discussed a few patients he would consider this for. I've told the doctor to call me if he wants to know anything! I've just spoken to him now, and he was chatting about it to a friend of his, apparently it's well known here! Here, in this little uncharted backwater! Why isn't the world taking more notice? Anyway, he's going to read through all the bumpf I gave him (there was quite a bit. Thanks Lo0p), and wants to talk next week. I'll keep you updated.