Indifference.

[Bruunhilde]

Indifference.

Bleep, that's effin' awesome that you're able to share with the doc, LOVE that open mind of his. Thanks to you, this is getting out locally by you. Great job.

[Lowcountryman]

Indifference.

Bumping Bleep,

Bleep, I had serious doubts about you reaching the switch and expressed my concerns. I'm so glad, for you, you've proven me wrong. Most of the times I can trust my gut-feeling but not in your case appearantly. I would like to thank you for that and also for still making your contributions at MWO.
I hope the missus feels the same way I do
Well, that's said.
Low

[bleep]

Indifference.

Hi Low, good to see you again.

There was a definite scare, but it was just dropping the dosage too far too quickly. From here, it's real again.

Mrs Bleep is beginning to see it's real, as am I. It is a strange thing, one that feels completely real and normal, yet things like this don't happen in real life, do they? Clearly they do. I am very grateful.

A pleasure to prove you wrong Low - you were a voice of reason to me on the way there, so thank you for that. I'm glad you are doing so well yourself. All the best.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Bump for lo0p.

Also bump for bleep, it's nice to check in every now and again.

I'm still hovering about the 270/300mg range, and SE's have completely gone.

I almost slept through the night last night for the first time since this journey began, and it broke my heart. I have been loving four hours sleep a night, the extra time is amazing. There is no attendant tiredness, so I've been hoping this is the new, improved bleep. Tonight I'm determined to rise after my first 2 hour nap and see if I can't make it a habit.

I miss the side effects, I realise. I know I was lucky for the most part, but the bac-glow, the buzz, those guys -- they're all gone, and we had become good friends.

I miss getting pissed, as well. I haven't been drunk for ages, and don't think it'll ever happen again. Maybe at a friends wedding, or funeral, or something like that, but the spontaneous get-drunk-it's-Tuesday piss ups are gone forever. Those, I don't miss so much. They weren't spontaneous anymore (every Tuesday, or every day of the week, for that matter) and they weren't fun, they were just sort of... necessary at the end of this.

I realise I need a release - obviously before it was easy - bad day at the office, get pissed. Likewise for a good day. Now, when I have shitty day, I just have shitty day, and I don't know how to end it yet. I'll get home and waffle around for a bit, try find something to do, end up pouring a glass of wine and leaving it somewhere. I pour it because that's what I've always done, not because I want it. What else does one do. I tried running, three times, it got worse. Maybe I need to try it a bit more?

Something will come, no doubt. Just thought I'd pop in and check up with everything.

[redhead77]

Indifference.

I wish I could write something interesting Bleep but I can't. I have no idea what sober life exists of. I kind of know from others, but haven't lived it in sooooo long. I see from many, that other things need to be dealt with. Happily ever after doesn't just happen after years of substance abuse. Just felt that I should try to be there as you have been there for me, but with no wise words or advice.

[Longshot]

Indifference.

bleep;1063620 wrote: Well, indifference is back! Yay. I went up to 450mg's, knowing it's overshooting the mark, but I prefer to hunt for my switch dose from this side of the equation. 450mg's is too much for this man. Somnolence in the evening was oppressive, and when I got my 2 hour sleep in, I didn't change position once, which has severely damaged my shoulder for some reason.

Sorry Bleep, you said your indifference went away when you titrated down?

[bleep]

Indifference.

Ya, although I didn't so much as titrate down as halve my dose, rather foolishly. At the time I thought I was titrating, looking back I was just being stupid. I thought that if it worked on the way up, it would work on the way down.

Also given my attitude to moderation and all that it entails, I should have exercised a little more caution.

Red, thank you.

[Lo0p]

Indifference.

bleep;1067710 wrote: Bump for lo0p.

:thanks:

But I think I'm looking for the one where you titrated up all Lo0pstyle like a maniac and thought you were losing your head for a few days.

I think I posted my graph in there with some very detailed comments about my dosages...I think (I'm not sure though). :nutso:

Ahh...wait, I know how to find it...

[beatle]

Indifference.

I hate to say this, and you know I don't mean it with evil intentions, but in retrospect, your blip provided some very useful information (and lessons) for not just Bleep, but also for many of us here. Now we don't have to try it ourselves. Thanks for saving us the trouble!

[Lo0p]

Indifference.

NM, I found it. Page 15 of this thread. Not enough detail to post on the Baclofen Titration Thread.

Back to fixing my car now...I'll have to deal with this later... :upset:

[Bruunhilde]

Indifference.

Good to hear your update bleep, what's your plan for the next year or so? Have you a plan to stay on bac at a certain level (270?) for a long while so you can settle in before decreasing your dose for the long term? Or do you see yourself maintaining this dose forever? Just curious. glad the SEs are gone except for the good'uns.

[beatle]

Indifference.

bleep;1067710 wrote:

Something will come, no doubt. Just thought I'd pop in and check up with everything.

Hate to rub it in, but how about studying something?

Oh, yeah, that isn't a release, is it?

How about fruition and then studying?

Yes, something will come, no doubt.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Indifference.

bleep;1067710 wrote:
I almost slept through the night last night for the first time since this journey began, and it broke my heart. I have been loving four hours sleep a night, the extra time is amazing. There is no attendant tiredness, so I've been hoping this is the new, improved bleep. Tonight I'm determined to rise after my first 2 hour nap and see if I can't make it a habit..Okay, clearly you have no concept of moderation. :H
Did you know that lack of sleep increases the risk of: Obesity, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and if nothing else, general crankiness. Lack of focus, incoherence, short-temperedness, lowered libido etc. (Okay, I made the last one up. Thought it might actually get your attention.)

So perhaps accepting 4-6 hours of sleep might be a good idea. Not being bossy, just a thought.
That said, I get it. Totally. I woke at 3:30am and broke a cardinal rule, I got out of bed. I'm not allowed to do that before 4:00am. My thought was, well if this is fleeting and I'm going to start sleeping normally I ought to embrace this now while I can. So silly. Truth is that from now on when we need to wake up and get to work on something we'll set an alarm and get up and take care of business. Apparently that's what people do when they're not drunk or terribly hung over at 4am. Who knew???

bleep;1067710 wrote: I miss the side effects, I realise. I know I was lucky for the most part, but the bac-glow, the buzz, those guys -- they're all gone, and we had become good friends..

ME TOO!
bleep;1067710 wrote: I miss getting pissed, as well. I haven't been drunk for ages, and don't think it'll ever happen again. ..

ME TOO! :upset: That ship has sailed. Pretty soon we'll be like Low and won't even recognize that person. It's like a missing limb. Still love it. Wouldn't trade it. We can always go back to the Tuesday night (M/W/TH/FR/SA/SU) night drinking against our will, though. It's still there. Fuck that!

So find a release, already. Life comes. You'll have enough to deal with in just a day or two, that's the way it works. The calm before the storm, this respite is to give you strength.
:goodjob: keep the thread going, will you?
:ls
K/Ne

[bleep]

Indifference.

Man, I posted a long response to everyone, came back to see how it was going, and discover it's not there...

Sigh.

Here goes again.

Lo0p, I'd forgotten that old thread, maybe I'll go back and see how 69 is doing these days. Poor fool, if only he had realised what was coming, maybe he could have relaxed a little.

Bruun, I don't really make long term plans, I'm a ODATer by default almost. I suppose I'll lurk here for a while, then cautiously start skipping a pill here and there. No hurry though, just see how things go...

beatle, I haven't studied yet, for anything, ever. I'm loathe to start now. Although it's going to have to be done sooner or later. I'm going for later!

Ne, I hear you. There's actually tons I need to be doing, but it's not exactly something that will give release. Something will come up, I'm sure.

My plan to arise after my nap tonight was a failure. I slept through, from midnight to 5am. I awoke to birds singing for the first time in ages, normally it is I who welcome them to the day, so I was a bit annoyed. I hear you on the sleep deprivation Ne, but I wasn't deprived, I was loving it. Sadly, it too has left the building.

It seems that baclofen takes everything it bought to the party back away with it, leaving only the indifference, and the clarity of thought. Or maybe the clarity of thought is just because I'm not either drunk or hungover. Not a bad deal, on the whole.

Thanks baclofen, and Dr Ameisen. I owe you one.

[bleep]

Indifference.

Ne/Neva Eva;1067993 wrote: Okay, clearly you have no concept of moderation. :H
Did you know that lack of sleep increases the risk of: Obesity, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and if nothing else, general crankiness. Lack of focus, incoherence, short-temperedness, lowered libido etc. (Okay, I made the last one up. Thought it might actually get your attention.)

...

So I'll be a insulin snorting, fat, cranky, red-faced bastard who can't give a fuck, getting angry at nothing, and pissed off with life?

But what's there to get cross about at 4 in the morning?

Last night I slept for 5 full hours, so it seems it's all academic anyway.