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    For those who followed the Dosage in Frequency thread, and for whoever pulled the plug on it in October 2010, here is an interesting article. I love saying I told you so!


    Baclofen Can Ease Symptoms of Acute Alcohol Withdrawal
    Bob Roehr
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    November 12, 2010 (Denver, Colorado) ? A small study in Minnesota has replicated findings from Italy indicating that off-label use of the gamma-aminobutyric acid?derivative baclofen is effective in treating symptoms of alcohol withdrawal syndrome (AWS). The drug has been approved for treating spasticity.

    The study was presented as a poster here at the American Public Health Association 138th Annual Meeting by Charles E. Gessert, MD, MPH, from the Essentia Institute of Rural Health, in Duluth, Minnesota. It has been accepted for publication.

    Dr. Gessert and colleagues were particularly concerned with alcohol-dependent patients who were injured in an accident and who began to manifest symptoms of AWS while hospitalized. He explained to Medscape Medical News: "Alcohol blocks neurotransmission[, and absent the alcohol,] the whole nervous system is hyperexcited. You get all of the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal."

    The most common treatment is benzodiazepine, which blocks neurotransmission at the same point as alcohol. However, the high doses used carry risks for morbidity such as respiratory suppression and prolonged hospitalization. "Baclofen blocks neurotransmission [and] the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal," and acts at a different point in the transmission process, Dr. Gessert said.

    The prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study involved 79 inpatients at risk for AWS. Of these, 44 developed symptoms of AWS and were randomly assigned to receive baclofen 10 mg or placebo 3 times per day. In all, 31 patients completed the 72 hours of observation and assessment required by the study and were available for evaluation.

    When the study was unblinded, the researchers found that 1/18 patients in the baclofen group and 7/13 patients in the placebo group (P = .004) required a high dose of benzodiazepines (20 mg or more of lorazepam) during the 72-hour period to control symptoms of AWS.

    Baclofen was safe and well tolerated, which came as no surprise, as it has been used for treating chronic conditions for years. It does potentially have some of the same risks as benzodiazepine when given at high doses, but this study used low doses, for a short period of time. The literature suggests that there is little risk for physical dependency.

    The principle investigator of the study, Jeffrey E. Lyon, MD, is planning a follow-on study that will enroll patients at risk for AWS and not wait for them to develop symptoms before administering the drug. "We want to see if we can prevent symptoms from developing in the first place," said Dr. Gessert.

    He foresees possible broader use as part of a program for alcohol cessation, "particularly for the alcoholic whose life hasn't completely deteriorated and [who] still has some intact social support." However, it may prove difficult to conduct such studies and gain the label indication for a drug that is available as a generic.

    "Conducting this study has given me new respect for the compelling physiologic nature of alcohol dependency. It means that when people are being withdrawn from alcohol as a life choice, they need both physiological and psychological support," said Dr. Gessert.

    Lorenzo Leggio, MD, has studied baclofen extensively, first in Italy and now at the Brown University Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies, in Providence, Rhode Island. He called the trial "really interesting," in that it used a "gold standard trial design" and evaluation methodologies. Most notable was the fact that patients were hospitalized, which is cost-prohibitive for most studies.

    This study confirms what has been seen in other studies with similar but not identical designs. Still, "it is too early to advise physicians to use baclofen for treating AWS," Dr. Leggio said. Industry is not interested in funding research on a generic drug, so support must come from the National Institutes of Health and from other foundations, he noted.

    Dr. Leggio said baclofen is very safe to use in patients with liver disease because it is primarily metabolized through the kidneys, unlike alternative drugs for alcohol dependency that are metabolized in the liver and are contraindicated for patients with cirrhosis.

    Dr. Gessert and Dr. Leggio have disclosed no relevant financial relationships.

    American Public Health Association 138th Annual Meeting: Abstract 4225.0-4. Presented November 9, 2010.
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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    Thanks Otter! It is a start!!!
    "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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      What a bummer to be in the control group, can you imagine being in it when they do the real high-dose test, and everyone around you is switching, while you sit there drinking yourself to death.

      This really is a magic pill. It treats AWS, and sorts you out for good. What more could you ask for?

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        Otter;1049630 wrote: Still, "it is too early to advise physicians to use baclofen for treating AWS," Dr. Leggio said. Industry is not interested in funding research on a generic drug, so support must come from the National Institutes of Health and from other foundations, he noted.
        :upset::upset::upset:

        The old refrain yet again...
        I'll do whatever it takes
        AF 21/08/2009

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          The study is pretty old:

          Am J Med. 2006 Mar;119(3):276.e13-8.

          Baclofen in the treatment of alcohol withdrawal syndrome: a comparative study vs diazepam.

          Addolorato G, Leggio L, Abenavoli L, Agabio R, Caputo F, Capristo E, Colombo G, Gessa GL, Gasbarrini G.

          PURPOSE: Benzodiazepines are the drugs of choice in the treatment of alcohol withdrawal syndrome (AWS). Recent data have shown that baclofen may reduce AWS symptoms. At present, no comparative studies between baclofen and any benzodiazepine used in AWS treatment are available. Accordingly, the present study was designed to compare efficacy, tolerability and safety of baclofen versus diazepam in the treatment of AWS.

          SUBJECTS AND METHODS: Thirty-seven patients with AWS were enrolled in the study and randomly divided into 2 groups. Baclofen (30 mg/day for 10 consecutive days) was orally administered to 18 patients (15 males, 3 females; median age: 46.5 years). Diazepam (0.5-0.75 mg/kg/day for 6 consecutive days, tapering the dose by 25% daily from day 7 to day 10) was orally administered to 19 patients (17 men, 2 women; median age: 42.0 years). The Clinical Institute Withdrawal Assessment (CIWA-Ar) was used to evaluate physical symptoms of AWS.

          RESULTS: Both baclofen and diazepam significantly decreased CIWA-Ar score, without significant differences between the 2 treatments. When CIWA-Ar subscales for sweating, tremors, anxiety and agitation were evaluated singly, treatment with baclofen and diazepam resulted in a significant decrease in sweating, tremors and anxiety score, without significant differences between the 2 drug treatments. Both treatments decreased the agitation score, although diazepam was slightly more rapid than baclofen.

          CONCLUSION: The efficacy of baclofen in treatment of uncomplicated AWS is comparable to that of the "gold standard" diazepam. These results suggest that baclofen may be considered as a new drug for treatment of uncomplicated AWS.

          A 2011 systemic review of baclofen for alcohol withdrawal syndrome (AWS) showed:
          The evidence of recommending baclofen for AWS is insufficient. More well designed RCTs are demanded to further prove its efficacy and safety.And those RTCs won't be funded.

          I disagree with this:
          Otter;1049630 wrote:
          The most common treatment is benzodiazepine, which blocks neurotransmission at the same point as alcohol. However, the high doses used carry risks for morbidity such as respiratory suppression and prolonged hospitalization.
          Short term controlled benzodiazepine treatment is very safe.

          From my personal experience I know that baclofen works pretty good for minor-moderate alcohol withdrawal symptoms. I think it's very dangerous to use it for more severe W/D. It contrast to benzos it has no anticonvulsive properties. Baclofen was designed to be a drug for epilepsy but showed very disappointing results here.

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            The study was in Minnesota last year. It replicated the older study you mention.

            It should be used for severe withdrawal. Yes, one should have an anticonvulsant as well in such cases and it should be in a hospital or under supervision of a doctor but I have seen both forms of detox. In using benzos for detox you start at about 90 mg a day and reduce down over several days. The patient has to have stopped drinking first. So the cravings remain and are unchecked. Typically if the detox is administered at home the patient will first have reached a point where they are comatose, unable to get out of bed except to find and consume alcohol until they reach a point where they become physically ill and unable to hold any food down. Then it will take a couple of days before the physical illness subsides, which is characterized by constant vomiting, intense craving, severe shaking of all parts of the body and intense pain. Any medication taken will be vomited straight back up.

            Then, once the patient is able to hold down fluids, the treatment begins and there is some calming, deadening effect of the benzos. After several day in bed the patient will have returned to something resembling a normal state, still shaking and feeling hungover. The patient will be unable to sleep at nights. The benzos then have to be discontinued to avoid addiction and cross addiction which can be fatal. After a few days the patient will say they feel well and never want to go through that again.

            After a few more days, the patient will return to drinking.

            Baclofen, on the other hand, can be taken while still drinking. Baclofen attenuates the desire to drink and encourages somnolence. After a day or so on Baclofen, the patient stops drinking and is sick for a day. Cravings disappear, the patient is calm with no shaking and able to sleep and in a couple of days is able to go out for dinner with the family. The patient can then continue with the Baclofen and, if medicated properly, does not return to drinking.

            The problem with Benzos is that after several of these detoxes the doctor will refuse to engage in any more because they become less and less effective and the risk of cross addiction rises. (there is a name for this syndrome)

            I'm just speaking from experience.

            Yes, and I don't understand double blind studies. Do they do them with terminally ill cancer patients? Half get the wonder drug and the other half get a placebo? What happens if some of the people on the placebo die during the study while the others all recover? Can they sue? No, I suppose not.
            BACLOFENISTA

            baclofenuk.com

            http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





            Olivier Ameisen

            In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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              There are several out patient withdrawal protocols. Not all need to be in hospital. It depends on the severity of withdrawal and several other factors. Some must be hospitalized. I believe baclofen is uniquely suited to outpatient withdrawal as it quells the distressing cravings which often lead to failure. It is also easy to administer based on withdrawal parameters. I know on this site many people have done this without medical supervision. While I wouldn't suggest it I am sure it is safer than going "cold turkey" which many of us have done over the years.
              I, too, am following all of this with great interest. I believe that in 10 years baclofen will be a standard treatment for alcohol dependence and probably other addictions as well
              Sunny

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                Otter;1049630 wrote:
                It does potentially have some of the same risks as benzodiazepine when given at high doses...
                Otter, et al - any thoughts on what this is referring to?
                Good judgment comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgment.

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                  Otter;1050021 wrote:
                  Yes, and I don't understand double blind studies. Do they do them with terminally ill cancer patients? Half get the wonder drug and the other half get a placebo? What happens if some of the people on the placebo die during the study while the others all recover?
                  .
                  Yes, that's how double-blind studies work, though the control patients may get current standard treatment rather than placebo. If the study drug is overwhelmingly effective, that shows up during mid-study statistical analyses and the study may be ended early - highly unusual.

                  It may sound cruel, but the whole point is that a study is being done because it is unknown whether a drug works or not. For example, not too long ago there was a few years when advanced breast-cancer patients were given ultra-high dose of chemo followed by bone marrow transplant to replace the blood cells zapped. It made sense physiologically, there were anecdotal reports of great success, desperate patients pleaded for it, and insurance companies were castigated for not paying for this "experimental" therapy. Sadly, when the control studies (not even blinded) were done, it turns out the treatment actually kill off subjects faster.

                  Not saying that BAC is analogous at all, just pointing out why clinical trials are necessary.

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                    I'm sorry, I mixed up the studies...

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                      "The most common treatment is benzodiazepine, which blocks neurotransmission at the same point as alcohol. However, the high doses used carry risks for morbidity such as respiratory suppression and prolonged hospitalization."

                      It has some of the same risks...hallucinations. It does not have some of the other risks...death.

                      I understand the argument for the need for double blind tests and there is one planned in Maastricht it seems now there is money to do it. I think it is unnecessary. We now have two doctors who have prescribed it and one who uses it in treating patients in hospital and another who is accepting its use.

                      Suppose there is a double blind test. So what? What happens then? It is still a generic sold at low price so the pharmaceutical companies won't market it to doctors. How do they find out about it? I can see someone in a doctor's office saying there was this double blind test of Baclofen and 80% of the participants experienced some reduction in their drinking over three months. Yes. And. So the doctor then becomes a specialist in treating with Baclofen and springs into action. Or he says "I don't treat alcoholism" and around we go again.

                      The way this is growing is by word of mouth with this and other sites and newspaper articles. Doctors then have to educate themselves about it and understand that they can already prescribe. Phill got his doctor to prescribe by saying that he and others were self prescribing and ordering over the internet. The doctor then found his conscience it seems and finally realized the obvious, that he had an ethical and legal duty to take over the treatment, since it was working on the guy sitting in his office, his patient!

                      That is why I think we get a lot of agro on this forum. Some here are perceived as pushing Baclofen without regard to the risks. I think we all know what the risks are, particularly the senior members, but they have concluded that it is the best chance and has to be promoted. On the French site some members are persuading everyone to call Olivier Ameisen a Professor, rather than a doctor. They want to give Baclofen more impetus, not because they want to line the Professor's pockets but because they see it giving Baclofen more credibility.

                      If you could walk into your doctor's office and give him simple directions to a site where he could find all the information he wanted about Baclofen without trolling through the internet or this site that is a start. Having a handbook also helps. That is why I set up my site. It seemed logical and necessary so I coughed up the $20 for the domain name and relieved myself of the stress of thinking "why isn't there a site like that?"

                      Then I thought how good it would be to be able to say to my doctor, or anyone, that Ameisen was being nominated for a Nobel Prize. And even if he was not being nominated if there was a lot of public support for that idea I could say that to my doctor. So, you post ideas like this and you get the other strain of postings, that Baclofen is not for everyone, it makes people feel lousy, the list goes on. Yes, chemo makes your hair fall out. Alcoholism is effing awful and the cure is no walk in the park. And it is too early for Ameisen to get a Nobel...old drug...he's French...what else?

                      There is a forum called Bluelight where they warn about drugs including Baclofen. They are calling this the "GABA B bandwagon" and most of the posters rant about how bad Baclofen is. Go read it. It depresses the hell out of me.

                      I have Clicky on my web site so I can get an idea of what is going on. Initially I was getting 1 or 2 hits every so often. Then it went up to 5 or so a day on average. Now the site gets up to 40 visits a night and I have had messages from people who have been begging their doctors to prescribe Baclofen. There are also people who are using Baclofen to detox from Subudone. The searches are coming from every corner of the planet. This thing is worldwide and it just keep growing. I know there are doctors viewing this site to get information about Baclofen. It is a human laboratory.

                      Another thing about double blind tests. Do they pre-date or post-date the internet age? Surely this site is a better way of gauging the efficacy of Baclofen than a three month trial of 80 people who have been chosen because they are statistically similar. One day you will wake up and find Baclofen all over the newspapers and everyone will have heard of it, not because of a double blind study but because someone told someone else and they told someone else...

                      There must be a name for the testing of a product by unleashing it on the whole world and seeing how well it works. When businesses launch new products do they test them by giving 50 people the product and 50 people something else? What are the ethical, moral implications of a test in which people are led to believe that they might get well or they might just continue to be ill and perhaps get worse or a test which just uses one pill without looking at all the features of the subjects. Maybe some people need Baclofen and benzos and will suffer by taking Baclofen alone. Can you even call this humane?

                      It is as important to know the risks of Baclofen as well as its advantages and all viewpoints are important. No one here has taken Baclofen after being told it might not be Baclofen or spent three months taking Vitamin C, thinking it was Baclofen. Then there is this thing called the "placebo effect". Apparently the people who are taking Baclofen might be recovering because they "think" they are taking Baclofen and the double blind test sorts that out. But surely the people taking Baclofen will only think that they "might" be taking Baclofen and so will the people taking the placebo. And no two people are the same anyway so why treat them the same. Baclofen dosage is determined by metabolism so it is an individual thing and it would be stupid to test it by giving 100 people exactly the same dosage.

                      Yes, it does sound cruel...because it is.

                      Well, that's me done.
                      BACLOFENISTA

                      baclofenuk.com

                      http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                      Olivier Ameisen

                      In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                        Oh yeah, and there's another thing. Baclofen has not just saved my wife, it has saved our marriage and our family and my sanity. Maybe it won't last or maybe we will all be hit by a meteorite next Thursday but right now I am a different person from the one who came here 9 months ago looking for help so I'm just going to keep going down this road and see where I end up.

                        I think that's all.
                        BACLOFENISTA

                        baclofenuk.com

                        http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                        Olivier Ameisen

                        In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                          Thanks for the long, thoughtful post.

                          I 'll just elaborate on a few points on how the medical/scientific world works.

                          Benzodiazepines are very safe, and their use for AL withdrawal is the gold standard. The MN study you quoted showed that patients placed on BAC needed benz less often than those trying cold-turkey. That's interesting, and is helpful to self-prescribers (like most of us here), since it is much easier to get BAC than Valium on our own. It doesn't show which treatment is better.

                          Most doctors want to help their patients, and there is not a conspiracy against BAC because of the lack of monetary incentive. You are right in that many doctors know little about treating alcoholism, but I bet most of them would welcome any new effective treatment - high-dose BAC included. For most, "effective" doesn't mean one case report (OA's) and non-peer-reviewed anecdotes. Yes, I know that we all "know" BAC helps, but that's hardly proof.

                          Randomized control trials (including double-blind ones) are the the sine-qua-non of scientific medicine, and we expect physicians to at least pretend to be scientific. In the case of high-dose BAC, there is not going to be a large number of docs using it without these studies. Especially since the evidence for low-dose BAC is equivocal - the latest study using 30mg/day was negative.

                          Forget about Nobel prizes. It has been many decades since work like Ameisen's would be seriously considered for one.

                          I'm starting on BAC myself, so I am not denigrating it, but let's not fool ourselves - it is not going mainstream for at least a few years, and for good reasons.

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                            Otter, please could you post the address of your site, or PM me. I had it, but can't seem to find it.

                            Thanks.

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                              Baclofen for Acute Symptoms of Alcohol Withdrawal

                              All valid points you raise, I too cannot believe the laxity of the medical profession in this regard. 37, as usual, strips the issue bare though. 37, let's assume for a second that baclofen becomes the new gold standard, do you still not see a Nobel in it for Ameisen?

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