Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

[Doggygirl]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Murphyx;1161688 wrote: However, the idea of a family reunion might be enough to turn even the most tranquil Methodist to the bottle.

OMG. That made me think of my Grandmother, rest her soul. She was a devout Methodist and I believe she invented prohibition in the US. Either that, or she would have invented it if someone else didn't get there first.

Glad you are OK re: the riots. Scary stuff! It got within 10 minutes walking distance of Marshy who posts in AF Daily.

The sugarcarby cravings were driving me absolutely insane. L-Glut capsules (even lots and lots of them) didn't seem to help much at all. L-Glut powder (lots and lots) seemed to help some, but it was still a battle bigger than me. I came across a group of people who are implementing a strategy outlined here. MY LEPTIN PRESCRIPTION | Jack Kruse. I am on my 5th day of following his dietary advice and my cravings are dramatically diminished - much better than I was experiencing with L-Glut.

Seems that different things work (or don't) for different people - I'm sure it has do to with our individual physiology, which I know nothing about and probably can't spell. But anyway....I feel your pain and just figured I'd share a bit of what I'm trying as a solution. We'll see where I'm at in a month or 6 or 12 to have a better idea!!

I hate you right back with my own vagina. That is really odd that you HAVE a vagina to hate with Murph. Who knew?

DG

[Lo0p]

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Murphyx;1161869 wrote: HELP!

My cravings are shocking, not for booze but for food. I just walked through the gourmet market in town: loads of deeeelish looking delicacies, biscotti, apricot danish, pan au chocolat, lemon cheesecake. OMG I wanted it all! I then walked past 3 booze shops on my way home and felt nuttin.

I WANT BAD FOOD! I want lots of it and I want it NOW!!!!! The only thing I can do to try to quell the cravings is drink booze. I know it's not ideal but it's the better of 2 evils right? Oh hang on a minute, I can't even do that. :upset:

I can't eat fattening foods and I can't drink booze because of my diet. I've lost 2 1/2 stone, but I've still got at least 1 to go. IT'S NOT FAIR! I want to fill my face with pastries and I don't care if I choke to death on them. Still could be worse I suppose, I could be sitting here manically eating bag after bag of MnMs :H.

I've taken so many different supps to try and stop the sweet cravings but nothing works. WHAT CAN I DO?

HELP!!!!

You've got the leptin bug. Late for work, can't explain it.

It's the reason why 95% of dieters fail and end up as heavy as they were or worse. You've pretty much already shot yourself in the foot by not lifting weights on the way down, not dieting properly and being a vegetarian.

[bleep]

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Well, that's you properly fucked then Murph. I hope it's not contagious?

[Murphyx]

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RudyB;1161979 wrote: more exercise! sorry, not what you want to hear, but it works for me.You?re right Rudy. But I?m usually only able to run twice a week at the moment, ?cos of my crappy right knee. I?m working on the knee though; I believe its problem stems from a problem with my posture, which I?m correcting

Doggygirl;1161989 wrote: Glad you are OK re: the riots. Scary stuff! It got within 10 minutes walking distance of Marshy who posts in AF Daily. Scary indeed! 10 minutes walking distance equates to just 3 minutes running towards an un-looted electronics store.

Our half-witted, posh-boy, in the pocket of his rich school chums, Prime Minister, has told the police to use rubber bullets on the protesters. Yes of course, increasing the level of violence always resolves situations. Fortunately the police told him he?s a dick.

Doggygirl;1161989 wrote: I came across a group of people who are implementing a strategy outlined here. [url=http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/]MY LEPTIN PRESCRIPTION | Jack Kruse[/url

Good grief, couldn?t that bloke get a native English speaker to translate for him? That?s painful to read. So far, so good though DG, it seems to be working for you.

Lo0p;1162017 wrote: You've got the leptin bug. Late for work, can't explain it.

It's the reason why 95% of dieters fail and end up as heavy as they were or worse. You've pretty much already shot yourself in the foot by not lifting weights on the way down, not dieting properly and being a vegetarian.

And you?ve shot yourself in the foot by making incorrect assumptions. You know what happens when you ASS-UME? You make yourself look like a knob-jockey. I think that?s how the expression goes. You are correct about my being a vegetarian though, so 1 out of 3 ain?t bad.

bleep;1162122 wrote: Well, that's you properly fucked then Murph. I hope it's not contagious?

It?s OK Bleep, fret ye not. It turned out the solution to my problem was to eat a Snickers bar. Ta-da, problem solved. Don?t worry Loop, I made sure I checked it?s nutritional content (3.8g prot, 22.1g carb, 11.5g fat) ... after I ate it. :H

[RudyB]

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murphy, you could use a fancy elliptical machine in a gym. no impact on your knee. or just walk a lot. your dogs will get you to do that.

also, julia ross has a book, 'the diet cure', in which she gives a questionnaire about your moods to help pinpoint what's off with your diet that's making you crave sweets. (no, i'm not a bookseller.) i'm guessing you have a fat- and protein-lacking situation on your hands. especially since you're a vegetable. i mean vegetarian.

[redhead77]

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Or swim, swim, swim. It has no impact on the joints. I hate to tell you to white knuckle through the cravings. I don't have too much willpower, and hate to white knuckle anything. :H If you could possibly stop eating the stuff for say a week or two, you may find the cravings go away. Lots of protein, moderate good fats (for satiety), and modified carb. I think early on, we crave the carbs to replace the sugar the booze was giving us. Then it may become a viscious cycle. You eat some, and you crave more. At least this happens in my case. I looked at DG's link. I think it's some good advice, but I'm not sure about the snacking thing. Some people, especially the ones of us who have reduced dramatically, or just gotten off the sauce less than a year ago, may need high protein snacks to keep blood sugar levels stable.

Just some thoughts Murphy. You did ask for advice. I think it's kick ass by the way, that you've lost so much weight. I'll bet you are looking and feeling good.

[bleep]

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Murphyx;1162133 wrote: You?re right Rudy. But I?m usually only able to run twice a week at the moment, ?cos of my crappy right knee.

Perhaps you should try hopping?

[Murphyx]

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RudyB;1162261 wrote: or just walk a lot. your dogs will get you to do that.I'm out with the hounds for 2 hours each day, come rain or shine, mostly rain this is Britain.

RudyB;1162261 wrote: i'm guessing you have a fat- and protein-lacking situation on your hands. especially since you're a vegetable. i mean vegetarian.Why would you ASSume a vegetarian doesn't eat a balanced diet? I'm not a fucking Fruitarian. No offense to any Fruitarians out there...you bunch of freaks.

redhead77;1162281 wrote: Or swim, swim, swim. It has no impact on the joints. I hate to tell you to white knuckle through the cravings. I don't have too much willpower, and hate to white knuckle anything. :H If you could possibly stop eating the stuff for say a week or two, you may find the cravings go away. Lots of protein, moderate good fats (for satiety), and modified carb. I think early on, we crave the carbs to replace the sugar the booze was giving us. Then it may become a viscious cycle. You eat some, and you crave more. At least this happens in my case. I looked at DG's link. I think it's some good advice, but I'm not sure about the snacking thing. Some people, especially the ones of us who have reduced dramatically, or just gotten off the sauce less than a year ago, may need high protein snacks to keep blood sugar levels stable.

Just some thoughts Murphy. You did ask for advice.

Good idea about the swimming Red, problem is all the pools always seem to be chocka round here. Funny thing is, I recently went through a period of about a month, of not wanting any sweet foods whatsoever. Now it's a complete volte face. I say "now", but it seems to have disappeared again today. So whodafukknows?

redhead77;1162281 wrote: I think it's kick ass by the way, that you've lost so much weight. I'll bet you are looking and feeling good.

I took some photos just before I started dieting and I can't believe I'm the same person. It feels good . And right back at yer btw - 25lb! But if your boobs start to shrink, stop the diet and eat some doughnuts, OK?

[Lo0p]

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Okay so I nailed 2 out of 3 and would have nailed the third if I added the qualifier: "lifting weights" properly. But if we continue in this vein I'm going to have to get dirty and lay the smack down so instead I'd prefer to try to help you get yourself out of this current debacle.

You're brain is suffering from a lack of a hormone called leptin. Leptin is released primarily by your fat cells. Your fat cells are like your body's back up batteries. Your brain has gotten used to having a certain amount of leptin circulating in your blood and attaching to your receptors and so on...previously a very large amount.

Now that you've gone and used up quite a chunk of your body's back up battery (congrats btw :goodjob, you have a shitload less fat cells releasing leptin. Without your leptin receptors being bombarded with the abundance of it that it's used to, your brain is, for lack of a better phrase, freaking the fuck out. It's releasing a cascade of nasty hormones. They're all bad but it's always fun just to name one and call it the main culprit: ghrelin.

Ghrelin causes a myriad of symptoms. They were best summed up recently by a friend of mine, a fellow from the Old World but sharp enough nonetheless:

Murphyx;1161869 wrote: HELP!

My cravings are shocking, not for booze but for food. I just walked through the gourmet market in town: loads of deeeelish looking delicacies, biscotti, apricot danish, pan au chocolat, lemon cheesecake. OMG I wanted it all! I then walked past 3 booze shops on my way home and felt nuttin.

I WANT BAD FOOD! I want lots of it and I want it NOW!!!!! The only thing I can do to try to quell the cravings is drink booze. I know it's not ideal but it's the better of 2 evils right? Oh hang on a minute, I can't even do that. :upset:

I can't eat fattening foods and I can't drink booze because of my diet. I've lost 2 1/2 stone, but I've still got at least 1 to go. IT'S NOT FAIR! I want to fill my face with pastries and I don't care if I choke to death on them. Still could be worse I suppose, I could be sitting here manically eating bag after bag of MnMs :H.

I've taken so many different supps to try and stop the sweet cravings but nothing works. WHAT CAN I DO?

HELP!!!!

There is something you can do. Put yourself on a hypercaloric (weight gaining) diet and combine it with a resistance exercise program that'll have you build muscle. Figure out your BMR using a calculator on the internet. Try to estimate your actual caloric needs by adding in your activity level and exercise and overshoot it by 250-500 calories a day. Eat a ton of that Quorn crap for protein, and a decent amount of fat. Both of these macronutrients usually have the greatest effect on satiety. However, in few hours following your resistance exercises you should overdose on whole natural unprocessed carbs combined with protein. Ingestion of carbohydrates has a massive effect on your leptin levels, sending them way down (at least temporarily). They (everything you eat) should be whole, natural and unprocessed and combined with protein so that it takes the longest amount of time possible to make it through your digestive system. This is one reason why Quorn is such a poor choice for a protein source but we've got to work with what we've got.

Do this for several weeks. It will possibly stabilize your hormones. You can't keep dieting down. Well, you could try, but if you were successful it'd be a superhuman feat and it would leave you in a much poorer and more drastic hormonal state than you are in now. Leptin will win. Your brain thinks you are starving to death. Try to trick it by giving what it wants for a while but have the excess calories go somewhere useful instead of straight back into the fat cells you've worked so hard to lose.

[Murphyx]

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Or I could just eat a snickers now and then?

Cheers Loopster, it's kinda what I was planning to do when I got down to my first goal weight. Not because of any freakilly named hormones (which sound evil and scary and will probably give me nightmares now btw) but because even though I am lifting weights properly, as I am in calorific deficit, the best I can hope for is maintaining my present muscle mass during my proper diet, but the chances are I'm losing muscle along with fat. So at that point I was going to have another period of surplus calorie muscle gain before continuing on down with further flab loss, should it seem necessary. Thanks for the tips on what to eat and when.

[Bruunhilde]

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Murphyx;1162133 wrote:
Our half-witted, posh-boy, in the pocket of his rich school chums, Prime Minister, has told the police to use rubber bullets on the protesters. [] Yes of course, increasing the level of violence always resolves situations. Fortunately the police told him he’s a dick.


[]You know what happens when you ASS-UME? You make yourself look like a knob-jockey. I think that’s how the expression goes. You are correct about my being a vegetarian though, so 1 out of 3 ain’t bad.


It’s OK Bleep, fret ye not. It turned out the solution to my problem was to eat a Snickers bar. Ta-da, problem solved. Don’t worry Loop, I made sure I checked it’s nutritional content (3.8g prot, 22.1g carb, 11.5g fat) ... after I ate it. :H

Okay, you've outdone yourself Murph, in one post you managed to insert dick, knobjockeys, ass-u-me, and counter bleep's "you fucked yourself" with a Snickers bar.

My only question after reading is, did you take the Snickers vaginally or via anal? We know what a STICKler for detail you are. Mate.

[Bruunhilde]

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Vaginas are not for hating

Note to Murph, thanks for removing the vagina hate avi. Vaginas are for loving.:h

[Bruunhilde]

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And have I said it's sad about your sex life. Your poor wife, its a wonder she sticks with you.

[Murphyx]

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Bruunhilde;1162593 wrote: Note to Murph, thanks for removing the vagina hate avi. Vaginas are for loving.:h

And for sticking confectionery up, apparently. So, do you eat yours afterwards?

[LadyLush]

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Murph,

I agree with LoOp. Whatever the hell he said? :H

I don't know? High protein and low carbs, running, and weights does it for me.


LL:l