Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

[Road to Recovery]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

bleep;1079994 wrote: Bit of drama on your thread I see Murph.

I agree 100% with Murphy. Baclofen has given me the ability to drink like a normal person, and I am extremely grateful. Some people choose to abstain, some don't, the point here is that everyone is suddenly, for the first time, given a choice.

This is Murphy's thread. He doesn't have to preface every comment he makes in it with IMO. It was obvious he wasn't laying out a papal decree, but was stating his opinion, to me. In my opinion. What a lot of fluff over nothing really, I think.

Tip, my lifestyle has changed, it is unrecognisable now compared to a couple of months ago. I actually look quite healthy now, for the first time in years. People comment to me on it.

I am sorry Bleep,
Just so I am clear on what is being said here:
- Bullocks does not mean "Not True"?
- So if I start a post - it is considered mine and I can write whatever I want and people shouldn't question it?
- Stating:
HAVING THE OCCASIONAL DRINK AFTER THE SWITCH DOES NOT LEAD TO AN ALCOHOLIC DOWNFALL - Sounds like some one truly believes this to be an accurate statement.

I guess because you and others have taken bac for a few months - you now are SMEs and can comfortably tell others what it does and that it "fixes" you. Because it helps many achieve sobriety (IMO) does not make it a cure. But again, I am not a subject matter expert - all I know is that it helped me. Geez - you guys should go to WHO and tell them you have this all figured out!

[bleep]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Road, let's not have an argument over nothing. I didn't mean to ignite anything with my comments.

Bollocks, in the sense that Murph means it here, means exactly that, not true.

I've certainly never claimed to have the answer, far from it. If you look through my thread you will see it is full of doubt. No doubt about baclofen, I am convinced it holds the answer to alcoholism, but personal doubts about me, and my chosen path. These comments are scattered throughout the boards as I have tried to come to grips with this whole thing.

And yes, I do believe Murph is entitled to say "HAVING THE OCCASIONAL DRINK AFTER THE SWITCH DOES NOT LEAD TO AN ALCOHOLIC DOWNFALL" in his thread without prefacing it with anything. I believe it to be true, as well.

I don't regard myself as someone who knows a lot about this, however, I don't see lots of other people jumping in with advice on the meds section, so I do my best, based on my experiences, to post that which I have found helpful.

Missy, I wasn't "sticking up" for Murph. He does that perfectly well on his own, and quite humorously to boot. I was stating my opinion on the matter. The fact that it coincides perfectly with his, is beside the point.

[Guest]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

I don't really care what people say their own thread, or otherwise. Readers will interpret posts as they wish, and I think this was mentioned elsewhere this week too. I am aware of a funny kind of etiquette down here - the unwritten rule seems to be say what you like if you start a thread, otherwise qualify everything you say.

Hmm I just go with apply common sense. If you make 'fact-like' statements that is up to the reader to see it and form their own opinion. I don't think you need to qualify anything, just don't be offensive to others or claim to know it all. I was told some months ago I shouldn't post 'fact-like' statements, and get my own thread. I don't see any difference. I have however swung around in my opinions-perhaps as a consequence of getting through the Baclofen barrier. I've seen and heard of newbies scared to post because of things they see here, and I've felt the same then I've also been able to see it all for what it is. This forum has no rules, admin keep right out unless removing spam. This can also mean people taking it upon themselves to 'inform' the rest, taking on an air of authority. No-one here is any better, nor any worse than anyone else. We are all in the same boat, whatever we do and whatever method we use to get sober.

With Baclofen no-one really knows, no-one is an authority. Even the Drs pioneering this method of treatment don't know exactly how this whole thing works. I only know what works for me, and it is working. That doesn't mean I'm going to sit on my laurels, no I'm erring on the side of caution. Since we don't know for sure what works, what doesn't I wouldn't tell anyone what to do. Just find a way for them. All I know is that I wanted complete abstenance, yes getting drunk once in a while could be fun but I'm not risking the side effects again!Urrrgh.

[missyabby1]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

This is my final comment here. I always believed that these forums were basically set up to help other people.............you know, to share what has helped and pass it on.

not to state absolutes or anything but just give a hand up to others. This meds section has , to me, .. . become something uncomfortable. It is full of absolutes, or people attempting absolutes.

there is something not quite right, and I can't put my finger on it, it gives no comfort.

I wish i never came here but it was entertaining and funny and addictive.

Smart people being smart but somehow not wholesome.'

I am as drunk as a skunk and going over to the gentle people........not the pill people, so over them.

Night good luck to everyone here in your quest for sobriety xxx

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

missyabby1;1080048 wrote:

there is something not quite right,

No shit. :H

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

I?ve reduced my cigarette use from 40 a day to 10 with the help of Snus (Lady Lushious, I wasn?t joking when I said about Snus ).

In the past I?ve tried everything: nicotine patches, chewing gum, lozenges, inhalers, electronic cigarettes, Alan Carr (one big scam), I?ve even tried going cold turkey (that lasted 3 hours), but the only thing that has actually helped me reduce my cigarette use is Snus. I hope it will allow me to drop the ciggies completely in due course.

Now I?m not saying this is the only way to use Snus. I?m not going to get all preachy about it. I won?t tell you that once you?ve stopped smoking, if you have just one more fag you?ll have a relapse and turn into a 60 a dayer, probably getting lung cancer and living on the streets begging for cigarettes from passing strangers. I wouldn?t say that because it would be completely fucking arrogant. Everyone has the right to find their own path with Snus.

Sorry, but I couldn?t resist it.

BTW, if you?re going to try Snus it has to be the Swedish Snus, not the American Snus. And before anyone gets all uppity, I?m not being Anti-American, I?m not dissing your country, I?m not wiping my arse on the stars and stripes, I haven?t slapped Oprah Winfrey or grabbed Sarah Palin?s bum????sorry I just wanted a moment to think about that last one. The American Snus (pronounced Snoose BTW) is made differently and has lots of nasty additives and causes cancer. While the Swedish Snus is lovely and gentle and athletic and has big tits.

[LadyLush]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Murphy,

I've never smoked but you caused me to look up the difference between Snus and Snuff.

Wait, you're not trying to cause more controversy are you??

What am I thinking? Of course you are

Lady

[redhead77]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Missy,

I think there are quite a few gentle people here. I won't start naming them because I wouldn't want to hurt Murph's feelings when I leave him out.

The thing is, there are a lot of passionate people here. Some think they can moderate. I am going to try to moderate because if this is a cure, it MIGHT work. If it doesn't work, I will become AF. Lot's of opinions on this even among the bac'ers.

Baclofen may be a cure, or it may not. I have had such a positive experience so far, and I'm not at my "switch", that I will never regret taking it. Yes, the SE's were hell at first, and as I go up, may return. Even if I stayed at the dose I'm at now, it is a tremendously positive change. My recovery from alcoholism is already beginning. Subtle things, but definately real.

[Guest]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

redhead77;1080075 wrote: Missy,

I think there are quite a few gentle people here. I won't start naming them because I wouldn't want to hurt Murph's feelings when I leave him out.

The thing is, there are a lot of passionate people here. Some think they can moderate. I am going to try to moderate because if this is a cure, it MIGHT work. If it doesn't work, I will become AF. Lot's of opinions on this even among the bac'ers.

Baclofen may be a cure, or it may not. I have had such a positive experience so far, and I'm not at my "switch", that I will never regret taking it. Yes, the SE's were hell at first, and as I go up, may return. Even if I stayed at the dose I'm at now, it is a tremendously positive change. My recovery from alcoholism is already beginning. Subtle things, but definately real.

Redhead

I think Murphy confusing Missy with myself hasn't really helped here, then again if we were the same person I suppose it wouldn't matter. Alternatively could just be Murphy's sense of humour, and I hope it is.

[TracyA]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Ukblonde;1080196 wrote: Alternatively could just be Murphy's sense of humour . . .

I was wondering about that too. I keep peeking in to the see the punch line.

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

UKBlonde/MissAbby It's not all about you. Just because you're planning to do one thing it doesn't mean that others have to as well.

Isolde;1079991 wrote:
Moderation isn't for everyone, of course. I know that's something we all agree on. I don't think I'm really given credit for having hit the switch because I still choose (operative word, that) to have a drink on occasion. I've noticed that and I think it's a great shame.

bleep;1079994 wrote: I agree 100% with Murphy. Baclofen has given me the ability to drink like a normal person, and I am extremely grateful. Some people choose to abstain, some don't, the point here is that everyone is suddenly, for the first time, given a choice.
Unfortunately some seem to think just because they can't moderate then no one else should be able to either.

redhead77;1080075 wrote: I am going to try to moderate because if this is a cure, it MIGHT work. If it doesn't work, I will become AF.

Sounds like a good plan.

redhead77;1080075 wrote: I think there are quite a few gentle people here. I won't start naming them because I wouldn't want to hurt Murph's feelings when I leave him out.

I wouldn't worry about that happening. :H

[coalfire]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Murphy. I am thinking about trying again to beat the ciggies. I am seriously addicted. What is Swedish snuss? I have never heard of it.

[Guest]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Murphy I didn't say that, I simply said my goal was to abstain and that baclofen had taken away my interest in even one drink - so no point. If moderation is the way for others that's completely fine - it's all about what works for each individual and I did not dispute this, nor tell anyone else to follow my plan. I don't know where you got that idea from.

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

CF, it's huge in Sweden. They have the highest number of Snus users. The lowest percentage of cigarette users and consequently the lowest level of tobacco deaths.

Snus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a snus ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xjm9NNuuVU[/video]]YouTube - SNUS

I bought mine from here Try Out Boxes

I got a starter pack of 10 different snuses. They come in different sizes and strengths as well as different flavours.

Try it, what's the worst that can happen?

[Chi]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

ROTF I thought the first snus post was a joke until I clicked on the wikipedia link!

Just goes to show everyone is different and we all have our own path to walk! Murphy I don't smoke but I know some who really like the ecigs, have you tried those? Same deal, satisfaction without the health consequences of the "vice".