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    Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

    Well that was the most shit-filled and fucked up day of my recent life. Actually, it was my head that was shit-filled and fucked up, not the day, that was actually quite normal in hindsight, but to me it was the day from hell. Deep deeeeeeeeeep depression, not pleasant and thankfully extremely rare; it’s been years since that’s happened. When it does it’s best to stay in doors, away from other people and try to keep the beast caged. If I’m not careful I can end up doing bad things that end up biting me in the ass (did you see what I did there? I said “ass”, just so the Americans don’t get all confused and indignant about the “goddam limey fuckers talking foreign shit on our goddam forum, after we pulled their goddam chestnuts out the fire in WWII and this is the sort of gratitude we get? We should bomb the goddamm mothafukkahhhhhs!"). The odd thing is, on this occasion I didn’t even consider numbing the pain with booze. Strange.

    Well not that strange as I haven’t had a drink for 9 days. Haven’t had even the slightest urge for one either. I ‘switched’ nearly 4 months ago and in that time I haven’t needed to drink. I haven’t wanted to drink, but I’ve been continuing to have one (sometimes less than one, sometimes just a sip of one) most days when I cook the evening meal. HABITS AGGGGH!!! Habits are a bitch to break (apologies to any bitches reading this) and this habit has been annoying the shit out of me.

    I looked back through this thread to see what my early, post switch, thoughts were on the subject and I found, along with some very strange comments about sheep abuse and the apparent comic nature of suet-based puddings, that as I suspected, it’s been bugging me from the start and I’ve been looking for a way to break it.

    Just like smoking; I use Wellbutrin, which as Zyban is used as a smoking cessation aid, and occasionally I use snus, which together take away both the need and the urge to smoke, but I continue to smoke through habit. I know I’m doing it out of habit but it doesn’t make any difference, I just keep on puffing away.

    So, I went away on the 21st and from that day, because my routine was broken, so was my habit. I wasn’t in my kitchen, cooking and doing the thing I’ve always done i.e. cracking open some booze. I’ve been back 5 days and haven’t reverted back to my earlier state. Habit broken.

    I know a lot of people are fighting their own habit. They have switched, or they feel a greatly reduced urge to drink, but their particular habit is getting in the way. When the habit drink is triggered, it might result in just the one, or it might be a habit that requires a full on rat-arsed drunk. Either way it’s just habit. And habits can be broken. Mine was fairly simple to address; I just had to get away from the trigger for a while and voila! For others it won’t be so simple, but whatever your own situation you need to find a way. You could just white-knuckle your way through the triggers but I don’t believe that will leave you with the permanent closure you need.

    You need to think about when and why you reach for that drink and look for a way to absent yourself from those situations. Easier said than done, I know, but baclofen will only remove the need and the craving for drink, there’s still another step you need to take.

    BACLOFEN WORKS. BACLOFEN IS THE DOG'S BOLLOCKS!

    Now, back to the usual irrelevant bollocks and generalised Murph-hate so beloved of you bunch of wankers. :l:h

    The unexamined life is not worth living

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      Glad you are back, Murph. I was worried. It's what I do.

      So. Why the deep dark hole? I ask for purely selfish reasons. I'd like to avoid it. What'd you do, or not do, that I can avoid or add to stay away from that place?

      Ftr, it could, very well might, just be one of those bumps, or troughs, that is part of new-found-sobriety. We don't have a monopoly on that over here in meds, right? But just in case it's one of those bac related things... Well, I'd like to know your thoughts.

      Dog's bollocks is a good thing?

      You said "ass." :H

      We did, um, stop by Europe several decades ago to unleash some whoop-ass. It would be impolite to point it out, though. It is not impolite to point out that we more recently took care of some business left undone. Not sayin' you all couldn't have done it. Just pointing out that we did. (I'm not one to gloat about such things, in general. I'm much more likely to be chagrined or mortified by them, ftr. But THAT one brought me some closure. mutha fucka may he rot.)

      Snus sucks, my friend. Disgusting. Makes me salivate, and not in a good way. I'm going to have to pick a date, use the stuff that is a little more discreet, and white knuckle it. I may
      use it to overcome undeniable urges in the privacy of my own home. Maybe.

      Habit. Hmmm. I'll take my thoughts over to the thread I started (in part for you.) That way we can navel-gaze to our heart's content without cluttering up my beloved baclofun thread with actual thought. That would suck.

      Dog's bollocks? really?

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        Ne/Neva Eva;1122736 wrote: Glad you are back, Murph. I was worried. It's what I do.

        So. Why the deep dark hole? I ask for purely selfish reasons. I'd like to avoid it.
        You needn't have any concern, I doubt it was bac-related.

        The unexamined life is not worth living

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          :l Sorry it was so rough for you.

          What's your favorite GSH song?

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            Sorry you're having such a hard time, Murphy. Fortunately I have the cure: all you need to do is pull your socks up, stop malingering, put your best foot forward etc...

            Or have you tried those already?

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              Nice shout out to Gil Scott-Heron. I'm a fan too. Thanks for help Murph.

              Sprat

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                Seethepony;1122768 wrote: Sorry you're having such a hard time, Murphy. Fortunately I have the cure: all you need to do is pull your socks up, stop malingering, put your best foot forward etc...

                Or have you tried those already?
                LOL, I?ll bear that in mind next time.

                Can I just say my reason for posting about this wasn?t to whinge nor was it to elicit sympathy, rather to explain my relationship with bac. In the first post I was somewhat concerned that bac was responsible and in the second I was drawing attention to the fact that having used bac I didn?t need to resort to getting a lash on to deal with the situation.

                But I promise in a day or two, when I feel a little less like I?ve just been run over, I?ll come back with a suitably witty retort.

                The unexamined life is not worth living

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                  Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

                  New comer

                  First writing on a blog... Not sure if it will be publlished. Anyway. I do not know if i am an alcoholic: I drink on a normal day 2 bottles of wine (I am a frog) and a few shots of vodka. Cannot immagine a day wo it. Love the feeling.
                  Anyway started Baclofen 2 weeks ago. Went for it big time. I quit my job to absorbe the SE. I am also pretty lazy. I am at 150 to 200 mg per day. Still drink like a fish!!! Damn. I really want to stop. Can anyone advise me? How long did he take you guys?
                  I am atking this weird pill that if i drink i get sick to help refrain the drinking. But clearly this is not the goal.
                  SE: sweating. I sweat normally a lot but not as much. Sleeping is an issue and hte "falling asleep" quite painful.

                  Anyway thanks for any comments.

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                    Ne/Neva Eva;1122097 wrote:
                    I can't imagine a world without stinky cheese straight from the goat's/cow's/chicken's teats, so veganism is completely and utterly out of the question. (if you don't like stinky cheese you should let me know before you come to dinner. It's how I express love, offering v. expensive stinky well-aged and moldy cheese to my guests.)
                    Oh my god. I am so in love with stinky cheese, and now you've just made me realize that I haven't had any in WAY too long. I was eating stilton on a daily basis for awhile. So, when are you going to invite me to dinner?
                    Better Living Through Chemistry

                    Switched at 180mgs of Baclofen on 1/31/11, and again on 10/8/11 at 200mgs.

                    Could've been a swan on a glassy lake, could've been a gull in a clipper's wake. Could've been a ladybug on a windchime, but she was born a dragonfly.
                    ~Clutch

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                      French;1122903 wrote: First writing on a blog... Not sure if it will be publlished. Anyway. I do not know if i am an alcoholic: I drink on a normal day 2 bottles of wine (I am a frog) and a few shots of vodka. Cannot immagine a day wo it. Love the feeling.
                      Anyway started Baclofen 2 weeks ago. Went for it big time. I quit my job to absorbe the SE. I am also pretty lazy. I am at 150 to 200 mg per day. Still drink like a fish!!! Damn. I really want to stop. Can anyone advise me? How long did he take you guys?
                      I am atking this weird pill that if i drink i get sick to help refrain the drinking. But clearly this is not the goal.
                      SE: sweating. I sweat normally a lot but not as much. Sleeping is an issue and hte "falling asleep" quite painful.

                      Anyway thanks for any comments.
                      Bonjour French and welcome.

                      It doesn't matter if you call yourself an alcoholic or not or how much you drink. The point is you can not imagine a day without alcohol and you really want to stop but can't. So you found baclofen. Good man!

                      How long it takes is different for everyone. You need to sort out a steady titration plan (how much you take, when and how often you increase the dosage) and the fact you say you are on 150to 200 worries me. You need to keep steady on your dose and not change around too much until you are ready to increase it.

                      The SEs you mention are very common and nothing to worry about. Once the baclofen has done its job they'll pretty much disappear.

                      How long have you been on baclofen and how long on your present dose?

                      Get back to us my froggy friend

                      Murph

                      The unexamined life is not worth living

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                        Glad to see Murphy got there first, French, cos I didn't have anything constructive to say other than Bienvenue and good luck.

                        I'm off to France in July. If you see a skinny git shouting "Merde!" a lot as he tries to set up a wonky old tent he got on ebay, that'll be me.... Me, I'd have picked the Georges V in Paris, but the wife and kid were just desperate for some misery in the middle of a muddy field...

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                          welcome frenchy. ditto what they said. bienvenido! (oh wait, that's spanish. studied french for five years, but when i try to use it, it all comes out en espaNol.)

                          murph, sorry about your bummer headspace! as with mog on his post, i'll recommend to you that book i haven't read: the mood cure; the other one she wrote (the food cure) was awesome, so i bet this one is too, and you never know what you might glean from it.

                          also, about the diet, i just read an email from dr mercola (you can find him online), who says that if you're overweight you should avoid grain carbohydrates. he also says, and this may be obvious, don't consume (high fructose) corn syrup. ever. or processed foods (generally anything that comes in a bottle or package and that has a list of ingredients). tall order, maybe, but mostly about changing habits if necessary. and, fruit: you shouldn't eat any more than 25 grams of fructose. (don't know how to measure that in terms of fresh fruit, but probably should limit consumption to a few pieces a day. def stay away from the dried stuff.) can't say any more than that, but worth looking into based on the other stuff about which he knows and shares much.

                          hope things are looking up for you. i relate to the euphoric and loving-everybody se. frickin love it. wish it would never go away. may you get back to that place -or some kind of happy one- soon!

                          xoxo rudy

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                            Yo Murphyx I have been under Baclofen for 15 days. OK I will stabilize at 150mg to start with. I have been taking around 150 for about 10 days. 1 question: your last intake is at 6pm to ensure a good night sleep? Have also experience problems having a good night sleep.
                            I only drink in the morning on the week end. So i am considering having the first intake at 12. Does that make sense or should i take it earlier..
                            ?
                            Seethephony I do not live in France if not you will have been welcome in my backyard. Suggest the Champ de Mars in Paris to your wife.... it is a huge piece of grass at the feet of the Eiffel Tower. Watch where you pitch your tent - it is full of dog's merde.

                            thanks for your feedback....

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                              is it true that merde du chien is free-flowin, and left all over the place, in france?

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                                terryk;1121869 wrote: Sorry for the short sell, BUT :moon: I welcome you to bring it on (at your leisure).

                                -tk
                                I guess just a question at first: I'll buy that you lost .5 to 1lb a day (easily, Murph could even do that on his diet), but you qualified it as fat. Do you actually think you lost that much pure fat? Did you keep track of how much of it was fat vs lean mass (muscle, water, bone, connective tissue, everything else etc...)?

                                This is how I kept track on my latest diet:



                                1 Rep Maximums are just a measure of strength. Other than the fact that I ended up with the same amount of lean mass that I began with, the 1RM's are extra proof that I didn't lose any muscle and that 100% of the weight that I lost was pure fat.

                                And Murph, I didn't click on those veggie diets you linked to, but I can assure you they are much better than the one you were using. I'd say do the veggie diet, keep your mycoprotein and try to find another decent source or two and you should be A-OK. Well maybe not Lo0pstyle A-OK, but B or Cish-OK. :H

                                And to confirm your earlier experience: Yes you can lose however much weight you want to in the short term eating nothing but chocolate and drinking beer. It just depends on how much (and how much $$ you're willing to throw down for new undergarments I suppose).

                                The problem inherent in any diet (especially one that is too rapid, doesn't combine resistance training and proper nutrition) is, on the way down, as you catabolize your lean mass you're also destroying your metabolism. The resulting hormonal environment you're left with is a dangerous one.

                                This is evidenced by the fact that some 90+% of people that lose weight gain it all back again (and usually more). Terryk, you admitted that you must steer clear of an entire food group (carbs) or you'll put it back on.

                                FTR, I used to be 55lbs or so overweight and definitely 25+% bodyfat (maybe 30+%). I am certainly not genetically gifted. I also believed, beyond a doubt that I was "carb sensitive". The first time I lost weight I did it improperly. As a result every single little bit of carbs I ingested turn straight into fat. I currently ingest a bare minimum of 160g of sugary and starchy carbs daily in order to burn nfire: fat rapidly. I need to take in more or I'll keep on losing weight. As long as I remain active I can eat cookies, brownies and ice cream on a daily basis for months on end and gain only 10-15lbs (1/2 of it water weight).

                                It isn't because I'm young (only a certain % of it is). It isn't because I'm a genetically gifted (because I am absolutely not). It's because when I lose (lost) weight, I do it the right way and don't drive my metabolism into the ground and pulverize it in the process. I spared (even gained) lean mass in the process and set up a hormonal environment that in the end, when all is said and done, makes it incredibly difficult to rebound the way that 90+% of people do.
                                :nutso: I take pride in my humility :nutso:
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