Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary
I'm all ears. I was here when you posted your first pics and was very excited to find out how you got fit. You then posted a series of flip-flopping advice that involved health shakes and LISS cardio and a strict regimen and then you said, screw that, screw cardio, you never have to do that unless you really like it, it's all about this leangains stuff, which I read and don't entirely get (16 hour fasting? is that it?)
That's my recollection anyhow.
Let me know what you think works (or what would work better). (I'll take my answer off air if that would be easier for our listeners)
-tk
Murphyx;1121307 wrote: I'll murder those little calves myself if it's the only way I can get camembert.
I thought I remembered, and then I checked, there's a bit in a Wallace and Gromit film where Wallace grabs a hunk of the moon and goes "hmmm... Camembert!" very interesting, very interesting...... Anyway, sorry Murph to continue off on a sidejack with Lo0p here for a second....
I'm not sure what the last part means (160g of carbs is a far cry from the 300 rda)(10-15lbs in a year?)(1/2 water so what?)
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
It isn't because I'm young (only a certain % of it is). It isn't because I'm a genetically gifted (because I am absolutely not). It's because when I lose (lost) weight, I do it the right way and don't drive my metabolism into the ground and pulverize it in the process. I spared (even gained) lean mass in the process and set up a hormonal environment that in the end, when all is said and done, makes it incredibly difficult to rebound the way that 90+% of people do.
I thought I remembered, and then I checked, there's a bit in a Wallace and Gromit film where Wallace grabs a hunk of the moon and goes "hmmm... Camembert!" very interesting, very interesting...... Anyway, sorry Murph to continue off on a sidejack with Lo0p here for a second....
Lo0p;1123153 wrote: I guess just a question at first: I'll buy that you lost .5 to 1lb a day (easily, Murph could even do that on his diet), but you qualified it as fat. Do you actually think you lost that much pure fat? Did you keep track of how much of it was fat vs lean mass (muscle, water, bone, connective tissue, everything else etc...)?
I've done this a few times and I realize that about 5-8 lbs is pure h20 that I will gain back and keep by simply breaking the ketosis. The vast majority of the weight is fat loss, but I will readily concede to losing some muscle at times. I don't keep meticulous records, but I do know that my bench press, curl, squat 3 rep max increase by 10-20% during the course of the diet with regular strength training (i do cardio too). I believe that I could still lose mass while gaining strength - is your 1 rep max graph really an adequate gauge of muscle mass? Oh, I just read that you don't think it is. But, anyway, I can see the fat disappear and muscles get bigger. I can compare before and after photos. I feel better, I am stronger, and I need smaller clothes.
I said/meant starchy carbs. I get plenty of slow, low glycemic carbs in beans and other veg. It remains as easy as ever to maintain my weight by staying away from starch and sugar. Carbs are like dominoes for me, eating just some perpetuates the hunger and has me eating more and more. Without eating all the carbs, I have been able the weight off for 2-3 years at a time (until I fall off the bread wagon).
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
FTR, I used to be 55lbs or so overweight [...] I currently ingest a bare minimum of 160g of sugary and starchy carbs daily in order to burn
nfire: fat rapidly. As long as I remain active I can eat cookies, brownies and ice cream on a daily basis for months on end and gain only 10-15lbs (1/2 of it water weight).
I've done this a few times and I realize that about 5-8 lbs is pure h20 that I will gain back and keep by simply breaking the ketosis. The vast majority of the weight is fat loss, but I will readily concede to losing some muscle at times. I don't keep meticulous records, but I do know that my bench press, curl, squat 3 rep max increase by 10-20% during the course of the diet with regular strength training (i do cardio too). I believe that I could still lose mass while gaining strength - is your 1 rep max graph really an adequate gauge of muscle mass? Oh, I just read that you don't think it is. But, anyway, I can see the fat disappear and muscles get bigger. I can compare before and after photos. I feel better, I am stronger, and I need smaller clothes.
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
The problem inherent in any diet (especially one that is too rapid, doesn't combine resistance training and proper nutrition) is, on the way down, as you catabolize your lean mass you're also destroying your metabolism. The resulting hormonal environment you're left with is a dangerous one.
I hear you. It gets harder to do this diet each time. I think a large part of it is having screwed my metabolism, a decent part is my increasing age.
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
This is evidenced by the fact that some 90+% of people that lose weight gain it all back again (and usually more). Terryk, you admitted that you must steer clear of an entire food group (carbs) or you'll put it back on.
The problem inherent in any diet (especially one that is too rapid, doesn't combine resistance training and proper nutrition) is, on the way down, as you catabolize your lean mass you're also destroying your metabolism. The resulting hormonal environment you're left with is a dangerous one.
I hear you. It gets harder to do this diet each time. I think a large part of it is having screwed my metabolism, a decent part is my increasing age.
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
This is evidenced by the fact that some 90+% of people that lose weight gain it all back again (and usually more). Terryk, you admitted that you must steer clear of an entire food group (carbs) or you'll put it back on.
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
FTR, I used to be 55lbs or so overweight [...] I currently ingest a bare minimum of 160g of sugary and starchy carbs daily in order to burn
nfire: fat rapidly. As long as I remain active I can eat cookies, brownies and ice cream on a daily basis for months on end and gain only 10-15lbs (1/2 of it water weight).
Lo0p;1123153 wrote:
It isn't because I'm young (only a certain % of it is). It isn't because I'm a genetically gifted (because I am absolutely not). It's because when I lose (lost) weight, I do it the right way and don't drive my metabolism into the ground and pulverize it in the process. I spared (even gained) lean mass in the process and set up a hormonal environment that in the end, when all is said and done, makes it incredibly difficult to rebound the way that 90+% of people do.
That's my recollection anyhow.Let me know what you think works (or what would work better). (I'll take my answer off air if that would be easier for our listeners)
-tk
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