Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

[Jo80]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Oh no, I think I am a hijacker.

All apologies.

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Reasonably sized boobs just won't cut it I'm afraid Jo. Have you considered a boob job? I'm just putting that out their for you to consider.

Keep your hands off that phone Jo. Spend your time doing something more useful, like researching breast augmentation prices.

And you NEVER need to worry about hijacking this thread. Nothing is ever off topic. Trust me.

[bleep]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Okay. I'd stay at the level you're currently on for the rest of your life Murph. It has turned you into an all-knowing and wise seer. That's the first post I've ever printed out so I can refer to it offline, other than the scientific studies. It's a seriously good post. Thanks.

It hit a number of nails squarely on the head for me. I'd been thinking along those lines for some time, or trying to. Your post put into words what I've been trying to elucidate for months now. I always worried that my indifference was hollow compared to some people's here - people who spoke of being free and never wanting to touch another drop. I like drinking, so tonight I've had just over a glass of wine, same as last night. I thought about it on the way home, stopped and bought a nice bottle, and would have finished it over the course of a few days if the wife hadn't spied it and done the job for me.

At first, it worried me greatly, much as your daily tipple worried you. Then a couple of months ago, I just thought fuck it, and accepted that where I was was a great and wonderful place to be, and came to terms with having a glass of wine when I felt like it. But before I came to that realisation, I was a worried man. I'd taken baclofen up to 550mg's for a period, to try claim this indifference that other people spoke of, and spiked it much higher than that on occasion, searching for it, so it's probably a good thing that I did! Reading your post made me realise I was searching for something that doesn't exist, but more importantly, doesn't need to exist.

When I started drinking, I thought it was great fun. So I did it more than most people, and more often than most people. It didn't soothe my troubled soul, or make it easier to talk to people, or anything like that, because my soul wasn't troubled to start with, and I talk to people easily. It just made a fun night more fun, so I did it all the time. My body can handle abuse, so I did it every night, for years. We all know where that leads, and by the time I tried to stop, it was too late.

So I didn't drink because I was anxious. At the same time, baclofen certainly took something away, some feeling. I never knew it was there, and it wasn't huge, but whatever it was, I'm glad it's gone. It wasn't the reason for my drinking though, I'm fairly certain of that, and now that it's gone, I've no hope of working out what it was. I was (and still am) not introspective enough to determine it when it was around, and I can't be bothered now to try.

I'm going to stop there, so that my post isn't longer than yours, but it's still running through my head. Thanks again for a really well thought out post.

I also had to chuckle to myself when I went to click on reply, and the button is labelled "Post Quick Reply"

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Bleep, I think we?re starting to get this whole anxiety-indifference v reduced-craving thing sussed.

I am concerned about your wife: first a reluctance to make sandwiches when instructed and now she?s drinking the good wine. Poor show Bleep, poor show. I suggest you revisit her training regime and intensify the obedience aspect immediately!

AAMOI what was the highest amount of bac you ever took in a day?

I would like to make it clear to anyone reading these posts, just because it may be taking you longer than you hoped to reach indifference, it doesn?t mean you won?t get there. So keep plugging away at it.

[taw]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

AAMOI???

Understand the answer to me, Murph....misunderstood it the first time! Thank you!!

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

AAMOI means As A Matter Of Interest. Obviously! Geesh, it BTFM how you didn't know that. Honestly YSS.

CUL8R

[bleep]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Jeesh, I'd stopped counting, but it was a couple of Saturdays that I thought I'd just go for it, so I took about 750mg's I think. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. I stopped because my kidneys started getting sore. Just felt stoned. I was a little disappointed actually, I was hoping for more. Now, I am older and wiser, so I just stick to my daily dose of 300mg's, and all is well. Zero SE's, except I sleep less than I used to, which is good.

It's exactly that sort of irresponsibility that got me into this whole mess in the first place, so I wouldn't recommend anyone try it.

Reduced craving. That's exactly how to look at it. I enjoy that glass of wine, and often think about it on the way home. I've recently started adding water to it, which makes it even nicer for me. Nice, clean water, not the muddy, bacteria-ridden shit that most people around here seem to have to deal with, and it's a lovely treat after work. I seldom want more than two.

Personally, I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an impact made by your post.

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

bleep;1138784 wrote: Personally, I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an impact made by your post.

Just because people aren't posting their thoughts here ...

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

I'm still thinking about it. (I'm seriously glad I didn't respond yesterday, because that would've been a whole different kettle o' moggies. Or whatever it is you strange people call cats.)

Your thoughts are profound and eloquent and are taking us in a really good direction when thinking about the experiences that started this journey for many of us (OA's book in my case.) The words we use can make it real or make it all so elusive it becomes a fairy tale--nice on paper, something to wish for, but ultimately bull shit.

Like the white knight and the princess and the happily ever after. When the eff does that really happen? And who wants/needs it anyway? But I digress... Sort of. Isn't the "switch" a concept akin to that? A fable. The truth is much more complex, but still pretty simple.
I need a couple more hours before I can continue. (I know, I know. But continue I will.) More later.

[bleep]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

What does a kettle full of cats have to do with this? I thought it was fish the kettle was fill of?

And I've tried training Mrs Bleep, but she doesn't take well to it. Sad to say, I think most of the training goes the other way, and I only realise it too late. A very poor show indeed.

Ne, at some point somewhere, a princess was probably rescued, and the story began. Stranger things have happened. Indeed, are happening...

[SlipperyPete]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Murphyx;1138829 wrote: Just because people aren't posting their thoughts here ...

Aristotle said "The more you know, the more you know you don't know."

That describes how I'm feeling at the moment. I'm feeling so much personal improvement, yet I know that at this point I have much to learn, and it's better to let you wiser men talk for now.

Murphy and bleep, I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll say for myself that I'm listening to what you guys have to say intently, and am refraining to speak until I have some meaningful contribution.

Please, discuss away! :goodjob:

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Ne/Neva Eva;1138845 wrote: I'm still thinking about it. (I'm seriously glad I didn't respond yesterday, because that would've been a whole different kettle o' moggies. Or whatever it is you strange people call cats.)

Your thoughts are profound and eloquent and are taking us in a really good direction when thinking about the experiences that started this journey for many of us (OA's book in my case.) The words we use can make it real or make it all so elusive it becomes a fairy tale--nice on paper, something to wish for, but ultimately bull shit.

Like the white knight and the princess and the happily ever after. When the eff does that really happen? And who wants/needs it anyway? But I digress... Sort of. Isn't the "switch" a concept akin to that? A fable. The truth is much more complex, but still pretty simple.
I need a couple more hours before I can continue. (I know, I know. But continue I will.) More later.

Fairy tales, kettles of cats, princesses, bullshit and simple complexities. I don't know how they all fit together.

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

If some of us never 'switch', never achieve 100% indifference, only a vastly reduced craving, then perhaps dangers still lie in the use of abusable substances such as xanax and other benzos. Which is a shame because I was about to order some online.

[Doggygirl]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Murphy, I found your post very interesting and I'm glad you put your assessment out here. Even as and alkie in recovery, it has sometimes been a challenge to try to understand a lot of things surrounding bac as a treatment. I surely understand the life stopping compulsion to drink. It is much harder for a non-bacer to try to imagine what it must feel like through the progression of treatment. The reason I try so hard to understand as best I can is simply due to 1) curiousity related to my own affliction and 2) the fact I am involved in helping other alcoholics, and I want to understand all treatment possibilities as best I can. I feel like your post has lifted a few clouds for me. So thank you.

In the spirit of the MurphyX thread, I will just say that I used to have big boobs. These days they are just long boobs. So the young guys should keep that in mind when they chase big boobed younger women. THEY GET LONG later in life. That is all. Feet seem to get bigger too, so if you want to borrow any of my shoes.....

DG

[Murphyx]

Murph’s Baclofen (or should that be BacloFUN) diary

Reggie;1138914 wrote: Just wanted to say I read ..THAT ..post ... spot on Murph!!!! and beautifully expressed ... I have been here a long time and have never seen it ..the switch ..indifference thing we all bang on about ( not ya Knob) exposed so succinctly!!!!! ..and agree with Bleepster it should be dragged out and be exposed naked ( not ya knob again) as a new thread ..as it sums up so ..precisely what newbies and those undertaking or thinking about taking Baclofen need to hear ..I reckon its sums up how ones life can change for the better.thats the... central message... i obtained from it and all your posts actually ..being Australian i dont get the innuendo Benny Hill stuff :H .Great Post Thanks Murph..

Pheww I posted on Murphs Thread I wont delete

Haaaaaa, you can't delete it now even if you wanted.

I think you're right about Newbies needing to hear this stuff and a lot more besides. They need to know that baclofen works for most people. Not all, because the side effects make it impossible for some. But for the rest it works...but to different degrees. From those who are full on don't drink, don't want to drink to those with a slightly reduced craving. I think it's important people start the bac-ride hoping for the best but prepared for something less if those are the cards they're dealt.

And even if they do find 100% indifference, they need to know that baclofen isn't a cure all. It won't necessarily cure the issues that caused their original descent into alcoholism. And they need to be able to deal with those issues because once they're sober and unable to hide behind the booze, they're going to be facing them head on.

And the side effects, they need to know there could be some. They may be trivial or they may be utterly debilitating. Either way if they experience one of them, they need to know it's a normal consequence of baclofen and not to panic, which I've seen happen more than once.

Oh and Reggie, well done for slipping the knob jokes in. :H