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    #16
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    on the nail, Ally.

    And as Dr. A says in part 2 of his message here, it is not just tragic that millions of people have died/are dying because this "discovery" is being thwarted from coming into the mainstream -- it's even more insidious, it is an artificial tragedy because of the STRONG resistance to letting a cure be disseminated:

    If one compares the resistance of many experts in the addiction field in academia, one should think of what happened in 1982, when Drs Barry Marshall and Robin Warren (Nobel prize in Medicine 2005) proved that a bacteria - helicobacter pylori – was at the origin of gastro-intestinal ulcers. When I was a medical students, the dogma had it that like for alcoholism and addiction today, ulcers were a “complex, multifactorial problem”. At its origins, psychosomatic/psychiatric disorders, eating habits, stress, heredity etc… The treatment required regular visits to a gastro-enterologist, weekly sessions of psychotherapy and expensive inefficient medications.
    The discovery, to paraphrase Dr. Barry Marshall, was harshly fought by three lobbies: the gastro-enterologists who were making a living of performing endoscopies, psychiatrists and psychologists who were making a fortune from this life-long disease and the pharmaceutical industry.
    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

    Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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      #17
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      Fine

      Let's bring it to the fore before proper, long-term testing has been performed. Who is going to pay out the claims if it's found it causes some sort of long-term health problem not already discovered at high doses?

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        #18
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        Ukblonde;1051439 wrote: Fine

        Let's bring it to the fore before proper, long-term testing has been performed. Who is going to pay out the claims if it's found it causes some sort of long-term health problem not already discovered at high doses?
        It's not an issue for me; I already have a "long-term health problem": alcohol addiction.

        And that's gonna fricking kill me for sure if I don't stop soon.

        The unexamined life is not worth living

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          #19
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          Ukblonde;1051439 wrote: ... if it's found it causes some sort of long-term health problem not already discovered at high doses?
          Oral baclofen has been used in neurology for decades at really high doses in order to avoid intrathecal therapy.

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            #20
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            Not everyone will look at it that way, there are rules to be followed some of which are to protect patient as well as Dr. Frustrating, yes but eventually it will come to the fore and with proper recommendations/doseage advice so it can be used properly and effectively.

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              #21
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              I believe Baclofen has been used at high doses (equivalent to those being used by us "guinea pigs) since 1960s, I believe. For decades anyway. This is a main tenet in Dr. A's missive. This is a SAFE drug at high doses, because we have proof.

              Plus, what Murphy said.

              oops. posts crossed. will edit this one now...
              Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

              Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                #22
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                Now I am now really scared about taking Baclofen I am on 50mgs a day and it is working well.

                Apart from feeling tired at night it has reduced my cravings to amost zero and the rest I have to use the tool box to stay AF.

                I am worried that I may become as dependent on Baclofen as I was on Alcohol.

                I do know that my life has changed for the better since taking Bac but---

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                  #23
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                  xpost beatle

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                    #24
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                    According to information on here you will only be physically dependent - so no cravings, you will just have to titrate down carefull if you wish to stop, but that's all.

                    Your life is so much better now so that must be worth it.

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                      #25
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                      @anon: 50mg is a pretty low-moderate dose. When the point comes where you want to taper down just do it slowly and you're fine, no problem.

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                        #26
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                        Ukblonde;1051448 wrote: Not everyone will look at it that way, there are rules to be followed some of which are to protect patient as well as Dr. Frustrating, yes but eventually it will come to the fore and with proper recommendations/doseage advice so it can be used properly and effectively.
                        If baclofen has been used for so long at such high doses for decades, what other way is there to look at it? Should we wait another few years just to make sure those people really die of old age and not of a baclofen-related complication?

                        UKB, you are so hankering for an argument, it would be humorous if it weren't so damn tiring.
                        Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                        Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                          #27
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                          Ok I wasn't aware of that at all and sorry my ignorance is leading to some sort of argument. I am fully in support of this drug being used to help alcoholics and the sooner the better.What problem do you have with that?

                          Once again so sorry for being so thick I didn't know all of this, I'm obviously stupid.

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                            #28
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                            Maybe you just write too much and don't read enough.
                            Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                            Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                              #29
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                              Probably I have been told by Neva to shut up. Guess I should do as she says.

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                                #30
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                                You are not, and have never been, told to shut up. (So please stop misinterpreting and misrepresenting what others have written.)

                                You have been advised to read and learn before you mouth off.

                                My mother would say it nicely: Don't say anything unless you have something to say.

                                Others say: Think before you speak.

                                Look, nobody wants you to shut up, everybody is welcome and encouraged to participate... but random spewing of misinformation and making statements/questions without any basis... well, it would save so much grievance for you and all of us others here, if instead of just spouting off whatever comes into your head, you would look into it a little first.
                                Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                                Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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