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    Bruun's Titting UP

    Al is not my friend either so I sure get everything on that line of thinking!

    Evidence based treatment is the direction. Interventions that are backed by evidence that they work. Treatment protocols that are well defined and delivered consistently. Integrated treatment for those with dual disorders. Medications integrated into a comprehensive treatment plan along with other therapies to address the "whole person." In a couple more years, treatment programs will no longer get any government money (state, federal, medicare, medicaid, grants, etc.) and most likely not recieve insurance payments if they are not following some of the newer rules of engagement. Strong motivation to adopt something other than "go to AA" which people can do for free if they want to. (and AA participation has actually been studies and in general, has shown to improve treatment outcomes. But the days of a treatment program doing nothing but offer AA are on the way out, I think) Also, individualized treatment plans rather than "cookie cutter" plans are required.

    Lots of adjustments and 'everything' will not change overnight. But it's exciting to be getting into the field at this particular point in time - so many changes to improve treatment and so many discoveries in the area of neuroscience.

    Those are some of the things being talked about in my classes. LOL - there is a guy in my new Saturday class who is taking the course for CEU credit rather than college credit. He's been in the field a long time and has some interesting things to say...... Once he said to the teacher "that's not practical! We don't have time for that!" and the teacher said "your agency better figure out how to make time or you will be paying a lot of money back to the state." (this teacher is the Quality Director at one of the big treatment facilities in our area)

    Many of the "down sides" of treatment that I have seen discussed here on MWO are being talked about in classes as "the old way."

    But to put that in perspective, prior to AA there really was no treatment for alcoholism and people were either left to die or locked up an asylums. So I can understand why the medical community wanted to incorporate AA into treatment programs as it was working better "in the day" than anything else. I think what has been demonstrated is there is a lot of value in recovery to peer support. This of course being a very broad and general statement, and nothing works for everyone. (yet )

    OK - enough typing! I forgot to say "pack a sandwich" at the beginning of the post. You are probably dehydrated and starving by now!

    I want you to heal Bruun. Physically and emotionally from this horrible addiction. :l I know this road is hard but it is so worth it to keep trying until you get it figured out.

    DG
    Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
    Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


    One day at a time.

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      I have Nourishing Traditions and have benefited from it these past three years since Rudy and I took a weekend workshop from Sally Fallon. Good stuff...both recipes and sidebars of relative info, not to mention the introductory section.

      gotta run!

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        Bruun I've come across maybe 3 articles in the past week about lowering BP. I thought of you and about posting them here but I kept telling myself "I'm sure she already knows this!"
        Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
        George Santayana

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          Is, good call on the C.O. shake. I made one with frozen banana, tinned strawbs and milk. Proper pasteurised semi-skimmed, none of that disgusting, poisonous, bacteria filled crap straight out of the shit splattered udders of the cow :H. I worked on a farm once, trust me, anything that comes from a farm, you want to have the bejaysus boiled out of it before you let it touch your lips. Filthy places, crap everywhere!

          Oh and my coconut oil wouldn't melt in the microwave. I had it on for 2 minutes and it was still solid, so I had to put it on the hob. Strange.

          Hope everyone is well. Wazzup Bruun?
          "My fault, my failure, is not in the passions I have, but in my lack of control of them." Jack Kerouac

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            ifulovelife2;1208980 wrote:
            Oh and my coconut oil wouldn't melt in the microwave. I had it on for 2 minutes and it was still solid, so I had to put it on the hob. Strange.
            That doesn't make sense. Mine is liquid in the microwave in 10 seconds. What kind of strange CO amalgamation did you buy??
            Better Living Through Chemistry

            Switched at 180mgs of Baclofen on 1/31/11, and again on 10/8/11 at 200mgs.

            Could've been a swan on a glassy lake, could've been a gull in a clipper's wake. Could've been a ladybug on a windchime, but she was born a dragonfly.
            ~Clutch

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              Brenda, I thought you said knob, not hob, at first, got a good :H.

              I'm thinking of taking a hunk of coconut oil and putting it in the shower with me so I can use it as a body oil instead of the lavendar almond oil I use (its conveniently in a spray). And I do like it in my tea, it looks awful, pooling on the top like an oil spill in Louisiana, and its tasteless, but it does moisturize my lips a little. That's always a challenge!

              Pete, I haven't looked up hypertension cures in years, I got so burned out. If you have links, I'll always look at them, I'm probably behind if its new stuff. If its reprinted oldies, I know it. Unless I've forgotten it. My brain is all dehydrated, you see. Although it's getting some flow back, it will be a long time before it really works again. Hope all's well in Petey world.

              DG, I'm thinking Jason thoughts (specifically, I don't HAVE to drink and its all a ploy to sell alcohol and false illusions) and its helping - so is the continuing gut discomfort. I'm over the worst days and think its healing, but I think this last month or two I did it in and I'm afraid I've caused some dreadful disease in there. The body is amazing though, and I have high hopes for healing.

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                yes, bruun. the body is amazing. keep those high hopes!...i trust too that my body "every day in every way is getting better and better".

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                  Isolde;1209020 wrote: That doesn't make sense. Mine is liquid in the microwave in 10 seconds. What kind of strange CO amalgamation did you buy??
                  It is very strange. This is the stuff I bought:








                  Well, the ingredients list is simply "Pure Coconut Oil". But does this look right?:







                  It's incredibly hard and can't be scooped out. I have to like shave bits off with a spoon.
                  "My fault, my failure, is not in the passions I have, but in my lack of control of them." Jack Kerouac

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                    How cold is your house Brenda? Are you living in an igloo? And does your microwave work? I don't know what that stuff you bought is made of but if it won't melt in the microwave after 2 minutes, it ain't coconut oil (as we know it anyway)! :H And the lines. What are the lines????? :b&d:

                    Bruun, you are so right. We don't have to drink. After a little time when your gut is feeling better, if you think about drinking just ask us first. We will remind you about the icky gut issues. What are friends for, right? :l

                    Hope everyone is having a wonderful day!

                    DG
                    Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
                    Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


                    One day at a time.

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                      Women, guns, drugs and credit cards don't mix.
                      Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
                      George Santayana

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                        I dont know Pete at one time I would have thought me, guns, drungs and credit cards would have been a perfect recipe, not sure about anyone around me tho! thank god I never manged to get my hands on a gun. I assumed that coconut oil would be well erm oil what is this stuff it look more like beef dripping but a weird version.

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                          Petey. I'm a woman with a credit card and drugs - maybe I need a gun. Instead, I have a more legal defense called Big Dog and also bear spray. :H WATCH OUT BAD GUYS!

                          So, update for me. I have been AL free for the work week. I'm going to a client outing (football outside in the Rockies at night! WTF?!) where I'm planning my strategy.

                          The Jason Vale book has helped me, afterall, I just keep reminding myself that having a beer after work isn't really a reward, it's more of a step down the road to hell, and its a passing thought if I do it right. So far I haven't been romancing the AL in my mind but I figure that may come.

                          Anyways, for now, feeling better and having too much energy for a change - thinking its the gabapentin I started for the depression, it sort of amps me. Now I get to start using the treadmill again and doing more laundry. Last night instead of planting myself in front of the TV at 7pm, I puttered around doing laundry, working on my new iPod that came yesterday and gave me a much needed boost emotionally. Had to start the gabapentin again due to overwhelming depression before the weekend - I cried before and after his visit, so dank and dark in my mind, so after Dad left I started taking it PRN which means daily right now, I guess. I only take it when I realize I'm having uncontrollable depressive thoughts. My new coping thought is "this is only temporary, this bad thought is just a temporary mood and it isn't anything "real" .... Now that I'm not drinking, I'm noticing the amp way more than I was when I was drinking. Or maybe my tolerance is zero again and that's the issue. I'll know in a week or so.

                          I had to drug myself to sleep though. I had been off the xanax for a few days but now I'm back on, bummer. I didn't sleep over the weekend due to stomach issues so expected to expire like a dead man last night but ... nuttin'. I did find a treasure trove of xanax I had hidden for just such an emergency so I'm feeling glad about that. I am out of town Thurs/Fri so I don't want to be a basket case for that trip, so xanax will rescue me. Pills pills pills....

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                            SlipperyPete;1209154 wrote: Women, guns, drugs and credit cards don't mix.
                            The hell they don't!!!



                            Hi Bruun! Wow I'm so excited to hear how you are doing!!! Congrats on your progress. I think Jason is right that "one beer" is just a step on the road to hell. How many times did I drink while telling myself "just one?" Thousands? Millions? A couple years ago I sat down and actually thought about that "just one" business. I don't EVER remember actually having just one drink. Not from the time I started as a teenager to the time I stopped at 50 years old. NEVER. I cannot recall "one" EVER. So why on earth did I keep believing my own bullshit time after time? (well, I guess I really didnt'...) For me, "one" is what kicks the door open for "more." That's why I just don't go there. It's gotten really really easy not to go there to. It wasn't easy at first, and not for a pretty long time. But it's really easy now. FWIW..... If I can, you can. :l

                            Is - I'm pretty sure my sleep issues are menopause related. I'm on bioidentical hormones which help, but it's not perfect. Just think what you have to look forward to someday!

                            How is Ladylush doing? Where the heck is everyone?

                            Bruun - you have a great day.

                            DG
                            Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
                            Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


                            One day at a time.

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                              Bruun, that is awesome news. I am so glad the book has helped you! It is so true though, it never is just one. We just tell ourselves that because we want that one... and after our defenses are down and we've already given in... well, you know! We all know. It's so fucking mental, isn't it?

                              A new iPod is on my Christmas list. The 8 gig one I've had for the past several years stopped being enough space, well, several years ago! :H

                              I went ahead and made the appt. with the psychiatrist today. It took a bit of work, as he is not on any insurance and so will not accept any new patients without a doctor referral. So I had to call up my primary and have them refer me, which they did lickety split! So I've got an appt. the week after Thanksgiving, which really isn't very far away at all. I'm going to come armed to the gills with notes and questions. And as much as I don't like the idea of adding more prescriptions into the mix (right now I'm actually just taking bac), I will inquire about Ritalin, gabapentin and seroquel. Bruun, I'm inspired by you saying that the gabapentin gives you a boost. I could definitely use that right now, especially if it means I can drop the other stimulants. It sounds like you've got a good control over the depressive thoughts. Sometimes it's just getting through that moment. It's like one of my favorite quotes when things get all shitty - "This too shall pass". That's a good one for me to keep in mind, actually.

                              DG, I think I might already have somewhat of an idea of what it might be like - I get the night sweats pretty badly every night. The other night I kept being woken up by the sweat dripping down my stomach as I was lying on my side. Ugh. And the funny thing is that I'm usually freezing when I go to sleep. I've always been a hot sleeper though. I've turned the a/c temp down and have a very light blanket, but maybe I need a lighter one yet!
                              Better Living Through Chemistry

                              Switched at 180mgs of Baclofen on 1/31/11, and again on 10/8/11 at 200mgs.

                              Could've been a swan on a glassy lake, could've been a gull in a clipper's wake. Could've been a ladybug on a windchime, but she was born a dragonfly.
                              ~Clutch

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                                Hi everyone!

                                I've come to help stoke the fire. Maybe we can turn it into a bonfire rather than a campfire? Don't you just love bonfires? Especially on the beach? Anyway, I have a gun. It's not here with me now, though. My husband didn't want me to keep it in the house. He claimed it was dangerous. I, of course, am all about gun safety, but I respected his wishes. I was worried about having the kids in the house with a gun, but I grew up with a couple of guns in my house, and we knew way better than to play with them. My mom even kept a 22 in the glove box of her car when I was young (she had a permit ) Truthfully, I think he was worried I might retaliate and use it on him. Maybe I should have? JK, honest engine! :H He wasn't worth going to prison over. Bud Bud has it for me now, along with his own firearms, and I can collect it anytime I want to.

                                Brenda, you might have some form of coconut oil, but it isn't extra virgin. EVCO's melting point is a measly 76 degrees. So, in the summer my coconut oil is liquid at room temp most of the time. I keep my AC on 78 (when I have it). Nice snow Brenda, perfect for the bonfire! JK, again.

                                Bruun!!! I am so happy to hear about your successful week, regarding the drinking. Gabapentin is starting to sound like the cats meow for a lot of people. It does make me wonder, but I think I'm taking enough stuff for now.

                                Hi DG, SP, bebe, SJM, and anyone else I've missed. Oh, and Hi Luscious, if you're lurking.

                                Is, we cross posted. Hi to you too!
                                This Princess Saved Herself

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