This Redhead's Baclofen Thread

[redhead77]

This Redhead's Baclofen Thread

RudyB;1117948 wrote: Hey Red,
I thought Snus WAS chewing tobacco. xo rudyb

I believe they call chewing tobacco 'snuff'. I think I heard it somewhere. Maybe on Deliverance? :H

As usual the threads are booming. There is so much I want to respond to on any given day. I'm always able to read them, but responding is a different animal. I even notice when someone isn't getting many responses, and often they've said something interesting. Just wanted people to know that. For anyone who might feel sensitive at times.

Okay, gotta run. I need to lather us all in spf 50 sunscreen. :H It's beautiful here, and I'm taking the children and a picnic to the river for some outdoor activity.

I'll try to come back tonight and pay you peeps, and your glorious threads some attention.

[redhead77]

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WTF?? I somehow missed three of your lengthy posts this am, Ne. I guess I went to the last page, and thought that was the last post. What's the damn deal with the multi-quote button? I tried to use it for all your posts, following Nelz instructions, and all it does is show up in orange, but it doesn't transfer the quote to my box. Oh, the life of the computer illiterate.

I understand that threads need attention, as do others on the forum. I honestly have only so much attention I can give. After being in a bac coma for months, I have tons of stuff to do. It will only get worse, this week, as I start working full time. Towards the end of the week, I'm doing 3 long shifts, bac to bac. I'm gone 14-15 hours a day. I also at any given moment have 3 children vying for my attention. I need to almost constantly intervene with something. It can take me an hour to post something when they're awake, as I'm constantly leaving the computer, losing my train of thought. When they're in bed, and I can post, I find myself exhausted. That is why I so often read the posts in bed, but don't have the time or energy to respond to so much that I would like to. I know excuses, excuses, but still. This is my reality.

I don't know if I'm having a mood disorder. I didn't think so. Does it seem like I am? If so, what do I do about it? How do I know? I feel like I'm okay, outside of dealing with all of life's bullshit sober. And that's not even bad. I think it would be much worse if I were dealing with it drunk. I dunno. Suggestions would be welcome. I only dropped so fast in my dosage, because I had to. Or, I thought I had to. It turns out, I could have gone slower, because I didn't start working, until way after when I thought I might. Either way, for anyone else who's reading this, I wouldn't suggest it.

The drinking. I believe Ne, you and I are both a little confused about that. I'm not drinking now, I don't drink daily. I don't know if it will become a problem or not. If it does, clearly I will have to figure out a new plan. I can't go higher on my bac and function. It is impossible for me. I'm finally at a place, where I can live again. I would have to employ other methods, like Nal or a support group, or whatever it is. Or maybe not. I hope it doesn't become an issue. Thoughts?

I was going to post on others threads tonight, but I am nodding off at the computer. Good night my dear friends. :l

Redhead

[Nelz]

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gratitude;1113435 wrote: ig,
I just spent 5 minutes staring at your girlie. hahahaha. couldn't take my eyes off her. where can I get one? grat

bleep;1113444 wrote: Ig, I used it purely for the stopping smoking quality a few years back. I got to 6 weeks with no smoking, which is my usual effort. Can't say it made it any easier or harder than normal though.

ignominious;1113553 wrote: There's plenty like that in Bangkok where I shall be at the weekend Grat but if you left click on the image and the right click on "Copy link location" you can paste it into your address bar and go to the website!

Is this what you are trying to do Red?

I hit the multiquote for the first two threads, then hit the quote button, on the last thread I wanted, and this is what should happen

[bleep]

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Hah, figured it out - thanks Nelz! Click the multiquote button, it goes orange. Do this for every post you are going to quote. The last post you are going to quote, click "quote", and all the orange "multiquote" posts will show up in the dialogue box that you are taken to.

It doesn't sound to me like a mood disorder - I would be having a full-on breakdown if I had your workload. Throw on top of that a sudden decrease in baclofen, and I would have been expecting to find myself in a peaceful corner of the house, quietly dribbling away. It sounds, from your brief description, that you are doing fine Red.

The drinking - I agonised over this for ages after reaching indifference, and couldn't come up with any meaningful conclusions, so I have stopped thinking about it entirely. It is, in the final analysis, up to you. If you want to drink, drink. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, nor is there anything wrong with abstaining.

[beatle]

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Like Red, the multiple quotes still doesn't work for me. I still have to go about it the laborious way. (Copy and paste quote codes).

Red: I hear you loud and clear. Your other demands are even greater than mine; I don't know how you manage. I've only got the two, and quite a lot of help from the father. You must be superwoman, and you need to recognize it, imo.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Morning, Red. It can be hard to keep up when a thread starts jumping! :H

Nah, I don't see the telltale signs of mood-anything going on with you, and I am the first to jump on that bandwagon. That said, I'll be looking out for it and I want you to do so as well. Being overwhelmed is completely different than being hopeless and despairing, right? It's kind of easy, for me at least, to forget what hopeless and despairing really was. And then BOOM there it is, a memory so clear it's jarring. That's when I realize that sitting morosely on my couch, staring at the screen, is nothing like what I was like when I sat morosely staring at the screen several months ago. Right? Bac then I had no hope, no recourse, except what I found here. Now I just sigh, get off my behind, and go do something... Usually something onerous, like laundry. I must find better hobbies, you know?

I feel for you with all the changes. They're incredibly rewarding, aren't they? And you inspire me to keep at it, 'cause sister, if you can do it (and you set the bar high) then I can certainly try.

Don't know what to say about the drinking. Old habits die hard. I wish it were cut and dried for me, but it's not. That said, we've had a couple of notable derails here, and I'm learning lessons left and right. We also have a couple of people who mod successfully, long term. And even more who abstain, by choice, and are happy without it. As I said, I'm paying close attention. 6 months ago I swore I'd never touch the stuff again once I found indifference... just sayin.

xo and great Monday to you! Thanks for giving me room to write the tome here today!
:l and :h Ne

[moglor]

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redhead77;1118853 wrote: I don't know if I'm having a mood disorder. I didn't think so. Does it seem like I am? If so, what do I do about it? How do I know? I feel like I'm okay, outside of dealing with all of life's bullshit sober.

I had a similar experience when I was newly sober the first time around. I noticed it because I started feeling unusual moods and emotions, and it took me awhile to realize that they were normal human moods and emotions that were not amplifed/magnified/otherwise altered by a constant faucet of alcohol. If you've been a functional alcoholic for any period of time, it takes awhile to re-learn how to deal with your own life without booze.

I am seriously considering adding Nal to my toolbox if I can't get the current drinking under control, but TSM and the mechanism of action of Naltrexone does require a period of drinking to break the reward cycle.

-John

[SassyLassy]

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Requires a period of drinking, or of NOT drinking?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Naltrexone using the TSM method requires drinking, Sassy. I'm not sure about the more conventional, prescribed by most docs in this country, approach.

[redhead77]

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Nelz;1118857 wrote: Is this what you are trying to do Red?

This was what I was trying to do! Thanks Nelz and thanks Bleep for explaining it in a way I could wrap my brain around. :H I've always wanted to do this multiquote thing. It's fantastic!

Ne/Neva Eva;1119029 wrote:

Nah, I don't see the telltale signs of mood-anything going on with you, and I am the first to jump on that bandwagon. That said, I'll be looking out for it and I want you to do so as well. Being overwhelmed is completely different than being hopeless and despairing, right? It's kind of easy, for me at least, to forget what hopeless and despairing really was. And then BOOM there it is, a memory so clear it's jarring. That's when I realize that sitting morosely on my couch, staring at the screen, is nothing like what I was like when I sat morosely staring at the screen several months ago. Right? Bac then I had no hope, no recourse, except what I found here. Now I just sigh, get off my behind, and go do something... Usually something onerous, like laundry. I must find better hobbies, you know?

Don't know what to say about the drinking. Old habits die hard. I wish it were cut and dried for me, but it's not. That said, we've had a couple of notable derails here, and I'm learning lessons left and right. We also have a couple of people who mod successfully, long term. And even more who abstain, by choice, and are happy without it. As I said, I'm paying close attention. 6 months ago I swore I'd never touch the stuff again once I found indifference... just sayin.

Ne, I kinda of think you have found better hobbies...just sayin to you. I have already forgetten (kind of), how bad it was when I was drunk all the time. It is strange how quickly we forget the bad. I'm not saying I remember it as good either. Except for those crazy rock star days. Those weren't always good either, but they were fun at times. At least we know if I go off the rails, I'll be super fun in October. Not really. I never plan on spending another morning doing the walk of shame. Especially, in front of MWO!!

For now, the drinking will be a non issue. I'm not drinking at all. I went on my antifungal diet a couple of days ago. The diet consists of no gluten, dairy, sugar, artificial sweetners(except stevia and small amounts of clover honey), limited preservatives and chemicals, fermented foods (including Al and vinegar), and anything that might contain mold or fungus, ie mushrooms. Alcohol is out of the equation, at least for now.

moglor;1119136 wrote: I had a similar experience when I was newly sober the first time around. I noticed it because I started feeling unusual moods and emotions, and it took me awhile to realize that they were normal human moods and emotions that were not amplifed/magnified/otherwise altered by a constant faucet of alcohol. If you've been a functional alcoholic for any period of time, it takes awhile to re-learn how to deal with your own life without booze.

I am seriously considering adding Nal to my toolbox if I can't get the current drinking under control, but TSM and the mechanism of action of Naltrexone does require a period of drinking to break the reward cycle.

-John

John, I thought you were currently AF? Or are you worried that you won't be able to stay that way? Maybe, by then you'll have hit your switch? Didn't you hit your switch last time around 200mg? I wonder if you'll need to go higher this time. I've heard sometimes people must go higher if they have to do it again. I believe you're around 200mg now? I have to agree with dealing with the human emotion thing. I often think this shit is hard. How do people do this everyday? Normal people piss me off. :H I have to assume it gets easier to be normal. Practice makes perfect, right?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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i simply could not exist without balsamic vinegar.

Did you know that humans are unable to replicate honey? ONLY bees can make honey in all it's natural goodness! It's magical stuff, I think.

I don't think we have any worries about becoming normal. just sayin

you make me smile!

[moglor]

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redhead77;1119811 wrote: John, I thought you were currently AF? Or are you worried that you won't be able to stay that way? Maybe, by then you'll have hit your switch? Didn't you hit your switch last time around 200mg?

I am currently AF, but only for the last couple days. I was AF for 6 months, but I titrated down too far too fast too soon and got myself into a pickle (or pickled as the case may be.) Did the whole depression bender again, but now I'm back in business at 212.5mg/day. Really need to update my own thread...

-JM

[Murphyx]

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redhead77;1118073 wrote: The other thing that continues, is that loving feeling baclofen gives you. You know that warm feeling, where you like everyone. I find myself smiling at strangers in the store, wanting to chat them up. I like this one. It's a major bonus. Oh yeah, I love that one. I have it particularly intensely at the moment. Perhaps too intensely.

Ne/Neva Eva;1118361 wrote:
We need a thread, imho, to take Murph's place in his absence.

Don?t worry it?ll be back, up and running soon. I?ve got a shit load to say. Perhaps too much.

RudyB;1117948 wrote:
I thought Snus WAS chewing tobacco. Not that it's important... but if there's something in between smoking and chewing, I'd love to know about it...

Now that just pisses me off. This has all been discussed before on my thread. How dare you not read and remember every word of my thread? I suggest you take notes and refer to them frequently.

[RudyB]

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aww, dear, murphy. i did probably read every word, and probably took notes, though maybe not on this topic, 'cause it's only now occuring to me that it might be important. but i think also the nature of the snus beast mightn't have been made clear. so, i take it it's a pouch, and you put it in the front, not the back of your mouth. anyway, doesn't matter. i'll google it. meanwhile, like with drinking, smoking seems to be a creature of habit, not of need, these days.

red, i am having that awesome se of loving everybody in sight. i love it! and it's really helping my persona at work w fourteen yr olds. may it continue, at least until the end of the school year...

[Murphyx]

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RudyB;1121353 wrote: meanwhile, like with drinking, smoking seems to be a creature of habit, not of need, these days.

Spot on and that's something we all need to find a way to deal with. I found my way and I'll post about that soon on my thread once I've sorted it all out in me 'ead.

Red, why haven't you posted on your own thread for 4 days. You're neglecting us. And don't give me any of this work and kids shit. I'm sure your patients can look after themselves, they're probably mostly hypochondriacs anyway and your kids should learn to forage. We're far more important!