This Redhead's Baclofen Thread

[taw]

This Redhead's Baclofen Thread

Counseling is a very good thing for kids. P went to what we called the divorce class at school...I think it is actually call Rainbows or something. He does not go anymore, but it is there when he needs it. He actua!!!lly went before Christmas on his own because he felt like he needed it. He too saw things no child should ever see! Wish you the best Ru! it will help both of you!

Red, yes! I need help! I don't eat and when I do it is bad....cost is the major thing but maybe with trying to quit smoking I will have some extra $$. Maybe even a vitamin to start! I need to be a better example to P especially with how he eats when he is with his dad. Glad you are feeling better and you seem to be in much better spirits!! Keep us posted!! Hope your son adjusts well too!! He is very lucky to have you!!

[Bruunhilde]

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Hi everyone!

Red, I agree, vitamin/mineral supplement must be a lengthy therapy in most cases, and its so difficult and time consuming to organize all the bottles of pills and the when/how you should take them daily. Most of us don't manage to be consistent with it. I fall off the supplement wagon and stick to my bare basics when that happens. Like now. LOL

I'm not sure I'm going to refi, Lush, do you have a connection with great rates at your job? I'm not seeing anything free for non-jumbo loans. I'll PM you just in case.

I imagine the work that goes into the childrearing you women do alone, and cannot imagine being able to do it. I think I'd be on 10mg xanax a day to keep my temper in check, and some sort of giant happy pill to make me able to play nonstop with the children.

Not to mention you work full/overtime, and manage the house which if its like mine needs all sorts of little fixes from the smoke alarm to the non-working light fixture outside to the weeding to the touching up of busted off texturing/paint on corners and wall to the stain in the carpet to cleaning the couch by hand really well to having the trees removed to fixing the gate to replacing the mailbox to figuring out a cheap way to remove the concrete break that trips everyone walking the driveway to trimming the 23 palm trees to fixing the sprinklers to refinishing the doors inside and out to sealing the counter and sink in the kitchen leaking water to writing a complaint letter to the engineered flooring company about the crappy floors I spent a wad on to replacing the sinks in two bathrooms to scrubbing the algae out of the pool in unreachable corners ...... on and on and on.

Boy renting was a dream! Luckily I'm able to manage most of these things on my own cheaply. If I could get my ass doing it instead of hiding inside the house with my book. This past weekend wasn't very good for me, as you may be able to see, at least Saturday sucked despite being AF. I need to have a dinner party, that's always a great way to get me busy and social. And maybe repair a relationship. Its also a good way to procrastinate on the above crap needing doing! Yay! The good news is I just made a good list I can use to check off and feel good about for next weekend.

Sorry for going on and on, I assume you skipped the whiner paragraph above and I apologize if you didn't. This is me whining again and not giving to others. Its not an attractive picture!:upset:

Okay, I HAVE to have something fun to wind this up with so as not to burden you all and allow you to see what a pathetic heap I am right now. Despite the gabapentin!

Fun fact. Hippo milk is pink.

[spacebebe01]

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Hi Red and friends, Lately I have been feeling very sorry for myself being out of work, not much money, being in debt, living in a tiny rented house on a out of town housing estate, my car is older than my son and hes 12 and on and on, but then Red, after reading about your life when you hardly get to see your kids and Bruun with all the work needing doing on the house, it makes me think that were all kind of the same when it comes down to it, getting to see my kids makes up for not having a career, I would love to have a bigger house in a better nieghbourhood that would eventually be my own but I dont have to worry about repair bills.

How did you find out about the hippo milk, dont tell me youve been chasing a hippo around trying to get raw milk of it

[Bruunhilde]

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LOL Space, chasing around a hippo! I think I might be chased around by a horny hippo, since I look like one. Aha, I lost five pounds though! So maybe this week I'm a hippo love magnet but next week a skinney monkey will be on my tail.

Pink raw milk. Sorta gross. I'd rather have pink mashed potatoes.

And yes we all have our problems and the secret I think is to not dwell....

[redhead77]

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Taw, the cost to eat well is a major negative. If you quit smoking that will go a long way towards adding more to the budget for healthy food (same goes for me).

Bruun, I did read that whole paragraph and didn't really think is was whining. It's true what you say, but you hit the nail on the head: the secret is not to dwell.

Bebe, I just love your honest posts. You make me laugh too! I see my kids, just not on the days I work. I don't work 5 days a week because they are long. I was doing that for a period, but the last 5 weeks or so, I've been down to 3. I don't think three is quite enough for the saving situation with all the expensive food I buy, so I'm going to settle for four here coming up. That won't be forever though. I think we are all in the same boat. Just trying to live the best we can, by ourselves, by our kids...battling this hideous beast.

I'm going to warn you all now. This post might get long, it's kind of a goodbye post. The last chapter in the book for a while (at least).

We made it to Whole Foods. I've replaced the dairy milk in the house with rice milk, almond milk, and coconut milk. I've even purchased some cultured coconut milk, Bruun. It's has probiotics, but is casein free. I've also changed out yogurts. We have almond, soy (organic only-evil Monsanto will not be getting a penny from my pocket book. That I can prove anyway), coconut, and rice yogurts. So far, so good. The only kind they haven't tried is the rice. They like them all! I've replaced the butter to approved healthy spreads. And the cheese has been switched to almond, soy, rice, and whatevers in Daiya (I was already eating that one, and it is casein free). The cheese situation is going to be the hardest and the worst for everyone. They aren't happy and I can't blame them. It all tastes like arse (the Daiya is better, but still tastes much different that regular cheese.) I can't ease the blow there. I hope their taste buds will adjust. The milk situation in their cereal isn't great either. They aren't happy campers with that one.

I keep telling them that I think they'll feel a whole lot better soon. It doesn't appease them. A child can't comprehend what they're eating could be affecting how they feel. This requires lots of patience and perseverance on my part, too. I ran out today to get some premade waffles and pancakes for their breakfast. I hadn't even thought that those things would have milk, but of course they do. They don't have to go gluten free yet, so I thought I'd give myself a little break and pick up some organic whole grain blueberry pancakes and waffles. Um, nope. I'm going to have to cook it all and freeze it for ready made breakfasts.I mean, I knew I was going to be doing that soon anyway, when it was gluten free time, but I wasn't thinking it would be quite yet.

I plain out don't have the time to post anymore. Not with everything I have going on here, and even more changes for us down the road.

I wanted to share some things first before I go, some things I said I'd share. Bruun, you're right about the supps taking a long time to work. You're also right about trying to take everything. This is what I took before I went off in search of clearer thinking with my bac:

All One
D3 (my 25(OH)D measures in the low 30s. Ideal is 55-70)
evening primrose oil (I would forget this one sometimes)
vit C
resveratrol (trans)
r-lipoic acid
ubiquinol
chromium picolinate
Slo Niacin (a couple times a week)
acetyl L carnitine
P-5-P
zinc picolinate (just started that a month ago maybe)
phosphatidyl serine
magnesium
fish oil

I would dabble sometimes in other stuff I have in my supplement cabinets too at times. Things like L-glut (which I haven't been able to tolerate in a long time), garlic, oil of oregano, cinammon, 5-HTP, and who knows what else!

I'm currently taking again D3, Res, R-Lipoic, C, Ubiquinol, evening primrose oil, zinc, and P-5-P. I've tried All One a few times. I think I'm just going to start adding everything back in again because I've decided I'm going to titrate down on my baclofen.

Yes, I'm coming down. I'm currently at 200 mg after coming down this week from 220. I'm finding that my foggy head/forgetfulness is continuing. I've found ways to make it better (I mean better enough that I don't forget to pay the electric bill) but not better enough that I'm functioning where I need to be. I had an incident at work yesterday that has really alarmed me. It wasn't anything that caused injury, but it's enough that I'm convinced that it's time. And I'm not sure what else I can do at this point. I've gone on Adderall (which I never needed before bac. My ADD was managed with Wellbutrin.) I've gone on supps, gone off of supps. I'm taking modafanil, which also makes it better, but...

To top it off, I think I might be experiencing some paranoia related to being on this much bac. I can't honestly tell if what I feel is warranted, or if it's just HDB. I think the worry of that is affecting me in profound ways. My anxiety is better, but maybe not in regard to this situation. I feel it improves when I don't post.

How low will I go? I can't say at this point. I'm coming down to a point where I feel that my brain is functioning well (I hope I don't have any residual problems like others with erectile dysfunction!) I can live with forgetting appts, forgetting my kid has art class, forgetting a lot, but I can't live with working in a life and death area and forgetting things there.

I've purchased naltrexone when I purchased my modafanil. I knew this might be what I'd try next (from what I've read I might be a good responder to it). So, this is what my plan is to avoid becoming a drunk again. Cross your fingers for me that it will work out. I've tried the pills a couple of times already. I have certain times now when I think I want a drink. After a stressful day at work, at social functions, ect. It seems to work very well in the little I've tried. I was at a social function and couldn't even enjoy a glass of wine. I do have some nausea from it and sometimes get a headache. It sounds like these things go away after a few weeks with most people. I'll be doing more research in the near future.

So, I'm hoping to find the perfect balance. I doubt I'll stop taking bac entirely. I like the anticraving and antianxiety aspects of it. I also can't be on so much that it affects me this way (or I'm ready to try life without being on so much anyway, I can't change careers to something else right now). I've read in a few places that the combination is really perfect for some people. I'll also be getting answers to my son's nutritional needs, so this will give me insight to my own, until I can get worked up myself.

When I find my balance I'll come back and let you know what worked (for me).

*Oh, Bruun and Rudy, I bought kombucha. I ended up buying a lot of different flavors. I just love it! It's sour and savory, and a little sweet. Now I know what all the fuss is about! My nanny loves it too and mentioned to me that she heard people can make their own. I told her, yup, I know some people who have. Bruun, you're right. It only has two probiotics, so it's a good idea to mix it up. I'm sure all the enzymes and everything else make it unique.

*Taw, I am in good spirits. Even with how strange this post might seem.

Take care everybody. :l


Love,

Redhead

[Bruunhilde]

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Hi Red!

Great update, and kudos on the kombucha! I have a bottle in the fridge and you're reminding me to DO something with it. Basically I just left it on the counter for a month last time and it grew a scoby, then I added sweet tea per the instructions and it grew a mother. I eventually neglected it to the point where mom got moldy and she was ejected into the garden for whatever critters might be interested.

Cultured coconut milk, do you like it? What if you mixed a couple of the milks together, maybe it would be a new experiment for taste buds to determine what they like most. Yes, this sounds expensive, this healthy dairy/gluten free experience. I am very hopeful it will do wonders for your family!

I hadn't heard of Ubiquinol before you posted this, but I looked it up and its supposedly excellent for the heart. Timely posting too, since today my 23 & Me account activated with my genetic info and one of the things it says is I'm like 40% more likely than the general population to have heart disease. Why exactly is it one of your priority pills?

Happy day, all, hope we're all sober tonight and unhung tomorrow. :h

[redhead77]

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peterjames57;1251341 wrote: You can't screw up in my job, period. I have a few coworkers that have watched me do totally bizarre stuff in the last 2 days. What am I going to do? I'm ready to throw up, I'm so worried. Plus the bac is maybe making me nauseous. I just don't know why I've started feeling sick, like I'm pregnant!!! At 30mg? That's nuts!

Hi PJ! I guess you've been around long enough that you could find one of the first posts I've ever written? I wish you would have asked me something, so I could either help you or hinder you, rather than just copy and paste something I wrote in my first weeks here. If you do need any help let me know. Thanks.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Peterjames is a spammer. 5 different threads. 5 different contradictory stories. (I drink all the time. I don't drink. I am waiting for bac. I am taking bac. etc...)
A link for cheap electronics or some such.

I didn't realize that he was simply copying and pasting other people's words. Smart guy. Someone oughta give him a job that doesn't suck. Though come to think of it, it's probably pretty cushy to sit around and smoke pot and send spam. If that's his thing, anyway!

[redhead77]

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Yeah, I guess he is a smart guy. To find a post I wrote almost a year ago, and copy and paste part of it. The funny thing is, it was almost relevant to what I wrote in my last post here. :H OK, back to hibernation I go.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Yep. He did the same thing here:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...oad-52206.html

peterjames57;1251340 wrote: New here and wanted to do one of those Look at me I'm on bac threads. I've tried everyplace to get bac and even at so called "recovery" places they look at me like I'm some nut job. I put a call into Dr. L so hopefully I can get it through him. I am really amped up about starting already, so I hope I can get an Rx today.
and here:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...abs-54278.html

peterjames57;1251342 wrote: Has anyone here actually taken the VL liquid baclofen product yet? I am still finishing off tablets I was prescribed in early 2010, so cannot say anything about the VL product directly. Yes I know it's desperation stuff to order a product clearly labelled as not for human consumption, and normally I would not have done this.
and here:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ber-53327.html

peterjames57;1251343 wrote: I am presently around 2 weeks or so AF, Im not sure when I stopped drinking as that week of drinking is still hazy. I drank for about 5 days after around 4 weeks AF. Before that I drank for about another 5 days, the bender before that was for about 2 weeks. I havent always been a binge drinker, that started when I tried to stop drinking probably around 5 years until then I drank every day with barely a day AF although for a lot of that time I think I kinda functioned, which is something I no longer do when I drink.

And finally, on here:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ncy-54730.html

peterjames57;1251339 wrote: Don't know about the MS connection but part of my Tool Box is massive dose of Vit D - around 10,00 units daily, and Litebook light therapy - 1/2 hour in the morning. Seems to be helping. Also take Topa, GABA and 5htp.

I reported it, but I'm not sure that there's anything to be done since his words are legitimate--as in verbatim copies of other people's words. He is a smart spammer. It bums me out that I clicked on the link, just to make sure I was right. (Before I knew he was copying other people's posts. I didn't want to be rude to the "newbie" since the posts sort of seem legit. Except that he did/didn't have bac. And did/didn't drink.)

Hope it's a good day, RH! Springtime here! And more friggin' parasites to memorize. Sushi is definitely off the menu permanently. :H

[RudyB]

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red, i don't know where to start. i dunno if you'll even read this anytime soon, but i totally get what you're saying about needing to hibernate, about getting anxious when you post. i find it therapeutic at the time that i do it, and for a while afterward, but sometimes i fall into feeling like i shouldn't have said this or that, and avoid re-reading, or go back and edit, or just ignore for days until i forget. i encourage you to trust that your posts are always wonderful, and i never see a reason -not even in a single word that you type- why you should feel self-conscious or anxious about what you share. but it's such a personal thing, so you also have my sincere compassion about your misgivings.

anywhoot, kombucha: yay! for christmas from my brother in law, i got a kombucha kit (a big glass jar, some organic tea and sugar, and a code for the scoby which i'll order on line). i'm good to go. (i tried the approach that bruun's accident describes, but without luck, either; i made vinegar because of my neglect.) no excuses now; it'll be easy, and kombucha tastes so good, and is so good for me! (i wonder if it's true that it's not good for young'uns. i let my son have some sometimes, and he loves it. instinct tells me that that's okay.)

good luck red with your food expenses. you're doing the right thing, for sure. and bruun, and anyone else with such a long list (ME!), good luck with your house repairs. i'm tempted to post my not-whining list, too, but it's very similar to bruun's, and i know i will probably always have such a list, so i choose not to dwell. it's a conscious and constant effort. with all of the crap that has infiltrated my life of late, one thing i've learned is that there are always solutions, and we must -i must- stay focused on finding those and making them work. nope, must not dwell on the problems.

one awesome example about solutions is that the interest rate for my new mortgage (to pay off my ex for his silly building, and in lieu of child support!!??!! ergh!) is only three percent right now. amazing! practically free money! ...and just about affordable for me. good luck to any who need such a solution right now.

so, anywhoot, taw, about cooking, i'll recommend a book: nourishing traditions, by sally fallon. it's full of good ideas and information, but also of recipies that might seem esoteric at first, but once you get into the habit of cooking this way, of buying this kind of food, you'll probably start to feel a lot better. ergh, it's hard to start from zero, but don't think of it that way. i mean, bit by bit, add new things, new ways of making your food, into your routine, and you'll get the hang of it. in terms of soup, i usually (well, i used to usually, when i lived at my own house) soak bones in water and a splash of cider vinegar for a while (this helps to extract the nutrients from the bones; you can even crush them a little with a pestle or a large spoon to help the marrow seep out (marrow is so nourishing)). then boil them in lots of water to make a stock. boil them for hours (it's great if you have a wood stove on which to do this, to save on propane, but i bet you don't, as -i think- you're in the chicago area). throw in a couple of oniions and garlic while you boil the bones, if you want, and you've got a very healthy, tasty broth in which you can cook whatever vegetables and maybe meat (good supermarkets sell affordable 'natural' stew beef, for example, to make a soup that will nourish your own bones). (btw, once you make the stock, just use a colander to strain out the bones, pick out the veggies and any meat that's left, to keep as part of the soup. it might sound like a lot of work, but, again, once it's part of your routine, it becomes a natural extension of what you do already. habits, dear one, isn't so much of what we do -or don't- about cultivating or weeding out habits?!)

guess i'll post before i accidentally delete.

red, as always, i'm wishing you the utmost best. you're a strong and powerful woman doing right by your family. good luck with the new approaches to keeping the beast at bay. you'll be just fine, i know it.

lots of love to you and to all,
rudy

[RudyB]

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in the middle of the night, i realized that to some i must have sounded like a witch describing her potion on the making-stock topic, what with the crushed bones and all. (by the way, you can add some house flies and frogs' feet, too). don't be deterred, taw. you can also just buy some bullion cubes. in good stores you can find them without msg.

[Bruunhilde]

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Rudy, I make stock like that every other week except I don't use the vinegar, that's interesting. I use lemon and figure it tastes better and has the acid that extracts nutrients too. I discard the bones and used up old veggies because they taste like nothing and I figure that means there's nothing left of them worth saving. My poor pets go crazy when I do this, they get all whiney and sad looking like I'm depriving them, which I am, except I save bits for them for dinner. Sadly, I often cheat and buy the Costco rotisserie chicken to save time and because they do great chicken, and I peel off all the meat and put it in broth in the fridge and fish out enough for soup twice a day with veggies added as desired, put it in the toaster oven and let it naturally cook (no nuking all the goodness out of it!). This means I'm not buying sustainable farmed chicken tho....

Sorry Red, to go off on a tangent. I know you worked 16 hours yesterday and are exhausted since today you spend the day maybe, cooking for the week? Hopefully instead this is the day you get to hang with the kids and enjoy them a while.

Also, ladies, I never understand why either of you feel embarrassed or worried about what you post. I've posted far worse stuff and I never delete or edit. Are you saying I shouldn't post all my failings? I should be worried? Uhoh.:yuk:

[RudyB]

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while red's away, let us cats play! bruun, that's what my mom says about the veggies, too. i think you're both right, but i suppose the extra fiber can't hurt now, can it?

sometimes i feel self-conscious about posting because i just get so damned enthusiastic, and so into the details of things. and sometimes i say so much. unfortunately, i still give a little too much heed to the good opinion of others, such that i might recoil in the middle of the night. it's stupid, i know. you absolutely should not be worried, or stop posting your so-called 'failings'; your willingness to do so is part of what makes you so appealing and so very real.

i really do appreciate that you chimed in and said that you also do that with bones (more or less; i'm sure the lemon juice is just as good). now i feel less embarrassed. (i forgot to mention that my mom used to boil bones with vinegar, and she also boiled vinegar to hide the smell of her cigarettes that she snuck, both of which i hated; the aroma was unforgivable!)

ciao for now, bellas!
rudy

[Bruunhilde]

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Yo Ru!