my sweet, sweet switch

[RedThread12]

my sweet, sweet switch

Hi Serenity: I've posted this so many places, I forget . . . really thought I had posted for you. All-One is great. Get the rice-based or fruit-based product. The gack-factor disappears. And get a huge tubful of L-GLUTAMINE. The recommended dosage is 1 gram/day. I take 15-20 spread out through the day with the full support of my doctor. Makes my blood sugar dead level with absolutely NO craving for sugar or carbs. Also added a bunch of neurotranmitters - you can find this info on the holistic health thread, too, or pm me and I'll send you some suggestion and where to get it all. It worked so well for me that I quit taking an anti-depressant that I had been on for 4 years; lost 35 lbs; and am more "sober" and emotionally stable than I have been for decades. All good things for a 54 year old woman to do after she retires from alcoholism. Would have been better at your age!!

[Bruunhilde]

my sweet, sweet switch

Sere, that info isn't on the site, it's only in the book so far as I know...

[RedThread12]

my sweet, sweet switch

Here it is, Bruun: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ine-37269.html

There's lots of information but it so scattered around that it's hard to find. I recently posted my entire supplement regimen and I can't even find that. PM me if you want to know more. Sapphire1 on the Aussie thread also has done extensive research and posted her knowledge. Can't find that, either:upset:

[Bruunhilde]

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Thanks Red but don't see where this post shows the rationale behind the All-One vs millions of pills, but as I was pointing out, the book does. If you were sharing the benefits of L-glut, I have a huge tub of L-glut and about 50 bottles of supplements, I've read a couple dozen books on supplements specifically related to AL, hyptertension, cholesterol, mood, etc so I think I'm covered. I was adding to the posts below vs asking for help but thanks for being so helpful all the time:

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Originally Posted by Bruunhilde
Ser, you know the MWO protocol was in part due to the author's wish to dumb down those supplements, which is why she researched and determined (and I think has since customized) ALL-ONE to be the vitamin-amino regimen in place of all that stuff in Seven Weeks, in Depression Free, in Diet Cure, in Mood Cure, and every other great book trying to help our asses?

Check out the holistic thread. If nothing else try taking the ALL-ONE or something similar (its hard to compare all that labeling tho) and the rest, it's not that hard, vs the books hourly protocol which really needs a lab rat not working to deal with the dosing regimen.

I didn't know that, Bruun! Goes to show how much I pay to the rest of the site, haha. I came here because of Baclofen and have pretty much stuck with the Bac stuff because of that. I think I'll order the All-in-One and see if that helps at all. I need to get off the sugar ASAP! (I've also got copies of The Diet Cure and The Mood Cure, lol)

------------_serenity_Hey Bruun! Thank you so much!

Re: supplements, I take a lot of piracetam. I need to stock back up on l-glut as well, since my candy cravings are OUT OF CONTROL. I sometimes get completely overtaken by sugar cravings, very similar to my old AL cravings; it's like a powerful force is making me drive to the grocery store for a bag of jelly beans, which get inhaled by the bagful. When I remember, I will also take a multivitamin and fish oil capsules. I have 7 Weeks to Sobriety, but damn if that supplement list doesn't get looooong and expensive! 03-15-2011 07:13 PMBruunhildeSerenity, I've been wondering how you were, it's just so busy here I can't keep up with everyone's threads. It's a second job, but the job I enjoy most. I am proud of you, you have a great attitude, are you on any supplements to bolster that? I can't recall if you're a supp-junkie like some of us. I'd like to see Gaga just for the show of her. I hated that meat dress, thought it was a waste of precious life. talk about wearing something only once, I think she should be made to wear it again, with nothing underneath, a year from now. HA.

Have fun at the concert and good for you getting out. I got out to the grocery tonight.

[bleep]

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Good to hear from you Serenity! Another really nice update to read - the changes being wrought are indeed wonderful. I think some of it is due to baclofen, certainly. The lack of anxiety for one. A lot of it is due, I think, to not being held hostage by booze, and the realisation that life can be lived as it should always have been. Even if that's not a conscious realisation, it's still there, and it's pretty powerful.

Also, just not drinking so much, and being hung half the time is bound to have a noticeable impact!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Hiya, Sere.
So great to hear from you. Thanks.

I would agree that there is something profoundly different in my personality. Not bad. None of it. Turns out that it needed a little improving. It's also much nicer to live in the space between my ears!

I wanted to weigh in eons ago about the skydiving! I tandem-jumped when I was in my late 20s. It was simply amazing. I know I use hyperbole a lot, which leaves my descriptions of truly amazing things somewhat wanting... But lemme tell you. It was the best $500 for less than 10 seconds I've ever spent.

(a little story: We had the option to pull the chord to let the parachute out. I opted, of course, to have control of that and was supposed to watch for the signal from the guy I was strapped to. Fortunately he had the presence of mind to do it for me. Because ALL I saw was the earth plummeting toward me.
And jumping out of the plane??? I know clearly what is meant by visceral reaction! There was no way, no fucking way, I was going to do that. I wasn't backing out at the last minute. I had no thought at all. Except this: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :H Fortunately I was strapped to someone who again had the presence of mind to do it for me!)

I was immediately and forever in love with the guy I was strapped to after he saved my life by landing me safely on the ground. I don't remember his name, but that's not unusual. I'm not an adrenaline junky so I don't have to do it ever again. But I'm so glad I did. I hope you do!

How much bac are you taking? What're your plans for that for the future?

:h
Ne

[_serenity_]

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bleep;1109316 wrote: Good to hear from you Serenity! Another really nice update to read - the changes being wrought are indeed wonderful. I think some of it is due to baclofen, certainly. The lack of anxiety for one. A lot of it is due, I think, to not being held hostage by booze, and the realisation that life can be lived as it should always have been. Even if that's not a conscious realisation, it's still there, and it's pretty powerful.

Also, just not drinking so much, and being hung half the time is bound to have a noticeable impact!

The sobriety really does make a difference, doesn't it? I know that my sobriety shows, even if people don't know exactly why things are different. That said, I found my chronic anxiety just melted away sometime around the 100-120mg level. I was SO anxious all the time before, and I talked a mile a minute and got insanely worked up over small annoyances. The bac somehow fixed that. I can still get anxious, but it doesn't rule my life anymore. I wonder if bac could be used to treat generalized anxiety in the future? It's certainly more effective than xanax, at least from my end.

[_serenity_]

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Ne/Neva Eva;1109446 wrote: Hiya, Sere.
So great to hear from you. Thanks.

I would agree that there is something profoundly different in my personality. Not bad. None of it. Turns out that it needed a little improving. It's also much nicer to live in the space between my ears!
So glad to hear you're in a better place as well! Your incredible commitment to the bac regimen sure paid off, huh?

Ne/Neva Eva;1109446 wrote: I wanted to weigh in eons ago about the skydiving! I tandem-jumped when I was in my late 20s. It was simply amazing. I know I use hyperbole a lot, which leaves my descriptions of truly amazing things somewhat wanting... But lemme tell you. It was the best $500 for less than 10 seconds I've ever spent.

(a little story: We had the option to pull the chord to let the parachute out. I opted, of course, to have control of that and was supposed to watch for the signal from the guy I was strapped to. Fortunately he had the presence of mind to do it for me. Because ALL I saw was the earth plummeting toward me.
And jumping out of the plane??? I know clearly what is meant by visceral reaction! There was no way, no fucking way, I was going to do that. I wasn't backing out at the last minute. I had no thought at all. Except this: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :H Fortunately I was strapped to someone who again had the presence of mind to do it for me!)

I was immediately and forever in love with the guy I was strapped to after he saved my life by landing me safely on the ground. I don't remember his name, but that's not unusual. I'm not an adrenaline junky so I don't have to do it ever again. But I'm so glad I did. I hope you do!

I plan on doing it this summer! It's something I've always wanted to do. Your description was so vivid, and it sounds so appealing! What an experience!

Ne/Neva Eva;1109446 wrote:
How much bac are you taking? What're your plans for that for the future?

I've been sticking to about 70-100mgs/day. It's supposed to be 100, but I sometimes forget the last 30mg at night. Doesn't seem to make much difference. However, there were a couple days a while back when I was at 60 or less by accident, and I felt an old familiar feeling, like I was being pinched all over my back. It was the beginning of the dreaded chronic anxiety. I don't ever want to go there again.

Plans for the future? I'll stay at 70-100 indefinitely. And I just have to learn to start living again. I still find myself isolating a lot; a lot of the old alcoholic behavior is still there. But the sky's the limit! I plan on traveling and gardening and reading and exercising and enjoying life. The social part will take some work, but it will happen in time, I'm sure.

See you in October! Still planning on the Chicago trip! :l :h

[redhead77]

my sweet, sweet switch

Hi Serenity,

Glad to see you here. I was wondering how you were doing. I see very well. I still think you are the baclofen poster child. I wonder if Chicago is still happening? No one has talked about it much. I guess by mid summer we should start thinking about it. Where we should go, all that good stuff. I love that you're able to live at 70-100mg comfortably, with no cravings. I have been scared to come down from the switch dose. I have walked on egg shells for weeks thinking the bottom was going to drop out. That there was no way, I wasn't going to go back to drinking. I still haven't. It's amazing.

I'm grateful for your update. I missed you.

[_serenity_]

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Hi Red! :l

Hey, I read your update last night. I got depressed too, right after my switch. And I can definitely relate to your feeling "boring" and whatnot. I feel the same way. I often feel "flattened out" a bit, and no fun. Sometimes I feel like a humorless blob.

There's SO MUCH we all need to learn in early sobriety! I don't know what all the answers are, but I think the first thing is to learn to be comfortable in one's own skin. And to accept this brand new self that has been reborn. And to accept, as well, that it can take a considerable amount of time to adjust to...

So my only advice would be to give it some time. The world is huge and daunting without the AL. You mentioned that you have school and work prospects on the horizon. I think that's wonderful! :h

As Max Ehrmann so succinctly put it:
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

I hope to meet you in Chicago, Red. By then (I'm still planning on going, no matter what!) we'll have a few more months of sobriety figured out, so we'll all be the wiser, I can only hope! Take care. :happyheart:

[Bruunhilde]

my sweet, sweet switch

Hey Se, you are doing L-glut, right, can't recall if I saw that. Glad you're doing well, so nice to hear from you Serenity. I have a non-AL friend that I told to take L-glut and she was able to get off her babyfat. As in, the gained weight from preg that she carried for two years, the only two years in her life that she had extra weight. She comes from a German high fat background, interestingly. Anyways... good to hear you're well! :l

_serenity_;1109254 wrote: OMG, sorry for the LATE reply, ladies. I don't know how or why I managed to not reply. I will definitely be getting more supplements in the next few days. I've done what I can to get off the sugar but MAN, when I do get a bite of sugar I go full-tilt into binge mode. I've been doing WW, which is slowly taking off the pounds (got about 10 more to go), but the sugar is definitely a problem area...

[terryk]

It looks like Carl is drunk again.... so I am putting up these quotes so that he can't delete them tomorrow when he sobers up:

SO, ANY OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO KEEP READING AND OR BELIEVING IN THIS PERSON WHO GOES BY THE NAME OF SERENITY, PLEASE READ HIS/her first thread post made on this forum. I think that you might just have a different opinion of this person after doing so. He/she is the ultimate troll who only promotes and supports Baclofen. What a shame -I think that they have so much more to offer others.

So all, this is 'your' Serenity'. We will continue to reveal this person's real motives as time allows. For now, just si ply remain cautious when dealing with this person.

She is still drinking, unhappy, over weight, and loves to try and garner attention my by trying to hurt others. Please pray for her or at least send positive thoughts to her. Serinty, I pray for you to get well and get happy. You deserve happiness and well being.

[terryk]

...and to clear up any confusion for newbies:

"Wilson1" is the troll who was banned as "Spiritfree," who was banned before that as "spiritwolf333"

PROOF:

Compare how each of these usernames tells the same inane story:

One night, in a meeting of like minded individuals, I heard some one say; "If getting sober was easy, I would get drunk every day.". That quote made too much sense to me and it pissed me off and it helped to better understand exactly where i was on the alcohol scale.

I heard someone in a meeting say this on about day 5 of my first attempt to stop drinking.
At day 5, I was still somewhat confused about most anything that I heard, saw, or read -but not so with what this person said.

For many days after hearing this person say "IF GETTING SOBER WAS EASY -I WOULD GET DRUNK EVERY NIGHT", I continued to think about his comment.
In fact, 17+ years later I still think about his comment. That night, after making his comment, most everyone was laughing -except me. I was still trying to process what the heck he just said.
Well, I pretended to laugh as though I understood what he meant (just to fit in..) -but it would eventually take days and even months for my alcohol damaged brain to really understand.

This fact sucks but it is real. If quitting were easy, I would get drunk every night. Just a thought.

... and also uses the same themes. figures of speech, grammar, and punctuation:

Wilson1 is considered a troll because he/she posts information relative to medications other than Baclofen. However, W1, also posts positive information relative to Baclofen as well.

As any user of this forum might now be readily and easily to see, Serenity, Idefineme, and Neophyte are in charge of the ritualistic harassing posts relative to Wilson1.

PLEASE, if you are at least willing to perform one task on this section of the forum, read my informational-research posts and then read any of their posts. Therein, you will quite clearly see what is happening. A gang of selfish, actively drinking members pursing harm to a single individual. Please keep in mind that you are reading posts sent to me from active addicts and this just the way that the world turns.

Bacman, may I please ask what good purpose it would serve others in answering this question?
If someone (other than Otter), seriously thought that I was getting paid to make posts on this site or any other site, well, I would inwardly feel extremely proud of myself (ego at work). Only because I owe you one Bacman, I will answer Otter's question. No, I am not getting paid by anyone to post anything; I do not own or operate a site or blog relative to medications for addiction or AUD; I do not get paid by any person or organization to promote any rehab place or otherwise.

Now, let me go ahead and answer the questions that will/would follow or just linger in the minds of some. Why in the heck would this fool continue posting information relative to medications for alcoholism on a site where so very few like him (or even despise him)? Why would this fool post antagonizing posts to people who are in the throws of alcohol addiction knowing that it is only going to piss them off? Why does this fruitcake post information relative to other medications for alcoholism when he himself resolved his alcoholism using Baclofen. Why does this SF joke of a person simply not leave the site and stop trying to help others in his 'village idiot' ways.

Please take the time to read all of the new reports relative to this new discovery. Do not allow yourselves to be discouraged by the naysayers. New and advanced help is now coming out daily. You are not alone in your journey to overcome this awful, deadly, brain disorder.

Do not allow the naysayers and so called experts on this site divert you away from AA. AA does not throw a religious program down your throat and make you swallow it. In fact, I never attended an AA meeting where religion was discussed or allowed to be discussed. Alcohol is only a SMALL part of your mental disorder but it does become a part of your brain disorder.

-tk

[terryk]

And here are some of the reasons that Wilson1/Spiritfree/spiritwolf333 has been banned in the past:

Logging in under various usernames to create disruption:

spiritwolf333 seems to have multiple personalities using bacfen and spiritwolf333 sharing the same computer.

hi fred -thank goodness u stepped u to the plate too. what the heck is everybody thinkin. we all knows that baclofen is the only real answer to alcoholism. them people that complain about side effects are just to weak in willpower. them shill people are not helping anyone but them own selves. why don't this site shut down them shills? at least wolf fellow brought up that crap about kudzu be able to help alcoholics. wat a joke. we all just should start ignoring this wolf dude and keep posting about baclofen.

...And Making unprovoked attacks against other forum members:

I have not made any threats. However, let us just find out how laughable your nursing school finds it to be that you ordering prescription drugs on line without a prescription. I can only imagine that they will laugh till the end of the day -and say why do people have problems with professionals breaking the law?

Mentium -you are not going to make the poster child for Baclofen as much as you would like to. Furthermore, you are not even coming close to telling the truth or the expressing the reality to the many that come to this site to try and find information to get help in helping removing alcohol from their lives. You are communicating a false sense of hope ...and this is very sad and wrong. From your very beginnings on this forum, you have been trying to sell Baclofen as the primary way out of AUD, though you have 'acted' indecisive at times regarding Baclofen.

You have been a member for on this forum for less than 60 days and you now portray yourself as suddenly cured and life is now good. In fact, you promote the idea that you were so called 'cured' 35 days into your baclofen regime. We both know that this is not the way it works, even with Baclofen, and odds are, you will not be on this forum 6 months from now and odds are that you have know idea what it is to be an alcoholic.

Mentium, you are not on my ignore list as I am on your ignore list. As long as I have a screen and keyboard, I will call you out every time. I now know who you are and the information that you are posting is misleading and can/could cause harm. I would caution any newcomer to the site to be very careful in evaluating the help from Baclofen based upon Ment's reporting.

These comments of mine are in no way intended to discourage anyone from trying baclofen to resolve their AUD, OCD, anxiety, and depression. Baclofen has worked for me but it is not the magic pill that Mentium wants you to believe that it is.

Mentium -on 12-16-2015 , you reported that you were struggling -not necessarily because of drinking but because of other factors. Today you report that you can take it or leave it -no problems either way. Please try to be truthful in your posts in your efforts to help others and yourself. Basically, you and Otter need to work together to get your story straight.

NE, your new forum failed because you created it for all the wrong reasons. Ouch. Sorry to be the one to once again tell you the truth. Non one else will. Create something for a positive purpose that you believe in and you will further than you could have ever imagined.

You are a joke and you are not truthful. With this said, I am very sad Serenity for your current state of affairs. I am quite certain that people will live and laugh their arses off after reading your post. LOL

Bacman -thank you so much for your golden rules -I am quite sure they might help someone. One last thought; most every single alcoholic is OCD, so need to lol (lol). Now that balofen has cured you, I do not understand why you are hesitant to take a drink at any time. After all, you are now indifferent to alcohol -right? These are the type of posts that end up hurting people as I am sure that you do not know.
(With your new found resilience, is alcohol even a question for you now? Can't you just take it or leave? Is alcohol even a part of your new way of life and thinking? It has sounded to me like baclofen took all thoughts of using alcohol to change your thinking completely out of your mind? Just wondering?)

And finally, before I get totally wiped from my way out -here is what we have. First, we have that this person (XXXXXXXX) who has been trolling each of you for so long. For 8 months she has been trying to get 'sober'. She experiences the same damn things that she did from the beginning. She hates her job/boss/life. Been on Baclofen for nine months or more. Same story almost every day. Hates boss -hates life. You individually feed her to take more or less baclofen. Yes, this works, right? Next, we have this NE person who has been here for years step up and say just try more baclofen or less baclofen and all will be ok. Well, bottom line, none of this crap is relevant. Meds for XXXXXXXX did not work. Talk therapy for XXXXXXXX did not work. Yet you each decide to offer advice to XXXXXXXX as if she really wants to be helped. You will each soon hear of her demise or her rise to the top of the billboards-she got u all. This is a truism.

And XXXXXXXX, take that damn stupid ass xxxxxx pic off. Please.

Ne -your posts will no longer go unnoticed if i can help it. This is really awesome news about ed and his driving privileges. Now, what about yours?

Hi Ne -this is awesome. You and Ed on Baclofen setting the world on fire. Or maybe not so much. Perhaps if people elect to read your thread and discover the reality of baclofen and your so called sobriety, they will learn that what you so highly promote will not work for them -at least in the way that you purported to work for you. Don't worry Ne, TerryK will soon be back to rescue you and tell a few others how stupid we are. The greatest part of all Ne is this; you know that we and most others are it to help others and that you and TK are only in it for the ....? Just a thought.

NE -your purported sobriety is very much misleading at best. But just hold on Ne, soon TK, kronk, and others will be here to defend your accusations.

Ok Ne -I must be honest. This particular post of your was not useful to anyone but yourself. It made you feel a little better that you had been drinking a littlie less than 'them' and therefore you felt entitled and needy to try and belittle them. As such, you thought that people would think more of you because of your supposed alcohol free life and less of them because of their failures. Ne, there is no way that you can not feel ashamed of yourself and this post. Yes tk, and others will soon step in to back up everything that you post, but you, you will always have to remember the ones that you have tried to harm in order to feel better about your self. So, how is that four years of being alcohol free really working for ya Ne -or has it really been four years?

Ne, it is very obvious that you are a good person with great intent. It is my opinion that you sometimes allow the need to feed your ego to override the real purpose of your original intent. Again, TK (and a few others) will soon be here to rescue you and set me and a few others 'straight'. But NE, I do wholeheartedly expect you to apologize to the general forums sections- and not so much for them, but for you. Just a thought.

Just shameful Ne. How can we be more like you and just kick the stuff forever? How? Ne, seriously, TK is just now trying to figure out the words to dismantle me and, at the same time, keep you and him looking good. Bless his heart. He works tirelessly to dismantle others while only offering his statement to be 'indifferent' after four years. Ne, are you this same type of indifferent? If so, why do still occasionally binge?

Ok NE - you win. My wife just told me that i sound more childish than all of you put together. As such, I will no longer post to this thread. Ok. Signing out.

-tk

[terryk]

And lastly, let's not forget that it's *not* only the "baclofen folks" that have a problem with Wilson1/Spiritfree/spiritwolf333/Carl's disruption here:

Spirit, my friend. Given that this is, fundamentally, a support board, I must ask you: Are you ok? Are you sober? Do you need some help and support, yourself? Your belligerence here has been growing and growing over the past months, well past normal, and your circle of friends and allies, once many here, is diminishing to the vanishing point. This is ordinarily not a good sign for an alcoholic. I have no wish to argue with you or hurt you or criticize you. After all we, each one of us here, of all people, lives in her or his own glass house. Please let us know, publicly or privately, if we can possibly be of any help. Cass

This is a classic example of passive aggressive behaviour masquerading as concern. SF you need to take a step back and really look at yourself.

You are now on ignore.

spirit free or whatever his name is clearly a troll. those of us checking in now and again can clearly see this.

I almost never come here because of what SF has done to the group, so I would love to be included in your new group. What SF fails to understand is that we are here because we can't stop drinking. Many of us have spent years trying. I have been thru several rehabs. We are all looking for something that kills the beast so that our willpower will be sufficient. If you don't need the help that meds might provide, you ought to stay the fuck out of this forum. Yeah, that means you, Spirit Troll.

Wow spirit,
I thought you left? No, I know you did, at least twice. Do you really think anybody here thinks you are genuine? Do you have any idea how disruptive you are to people struggling to get a grip on this disease? You left the Meds site, stick to your nonsense rambling think you know it all posts and leave. I am still trying to figure out where the dislike button is? But dislike is much too gentle for a troll like you. Stick to your asinine last post and keep your word.

Honestly, Spirit, I didn't really believe that you were drinking again but your last post has quite convinced me. Either that or you are suffering from some sort of dementia. I'm actually starting to get worried. Should I call you or your wife just to make sure you're okay?

I haven't been posting and reading the forum much for over a year and it was sad to see that the narcistic, egoistic, know-it-all wisecrack Dr. SpitFire MD. still is messing-up the place, even more than before. This is also one of the reasons I'm not around here anymore. So he can be very proud of himself by achieving that.
He knows what I think about him, so there's no need to repeat it, but it is pretty much in agreement with what most of you think about him.
I only hope that he will not pull any innocent first time visitors over here into believing what he calls the truth, so maybe giving some reply now and then, would not be such a bad idea.

PS, just to make sure I am very clear to the troll spiritfree, spiritwolf, or whatever, my best bet is you already have blood on your hands, in this last year there will have been somebody unbeknownst to us that came looking for help but got scarred away by your actions on these forums with lethal consequences. Spirit, like you like to say, just my opinion.

It's not what you say or your opinion that angers people. It's how you say it.

Ne, I wasn't suggesting that you intended to shut the Med section down. SF has already done that. When the few who come here find a new site, this section will shut itself down.

I joined Lo0p's site, but without him it seemed to peter out. Haven't been there in a long time.

The sad thing is that this used to be a wonderful place for open exchange of ideas and sources and experiences, but also of hope and support.

Oh well, hope to see some of you down the road.

I agree with quite a lot of what you post SF, but it's the way you do it that I find harmful and distasteful.

I've been wondering the same thing. The troll displays such typical drunk behavior, I can't think of any other rational explanation. Why else would someone post so much random, inexplicable hostility towards an unassuming stranger, only to delete the mean words later?

Please, just for once, don't feed the (sick) troll. I suspect mental illness here.

Dude, you are a toxic individual. Fucking give it a break, and let this site return to the haven it used to be. Just stop.

Fuck me, every time I look you are arguing with somebody Spirit. The arguments never serve a purpose, they never make the the forum a nicer place and they seem to irritate everyone except you and the one or two people who don't realise what is going on and briefly side with you. It seems to me that almost every regular poster in the meds section seems be in a constant state of disagreement with you, perhaps take a step back and wonder why?

Please give it a rest.

What's wrong with this person, spirit wolf? Why the continual drum beat?

Up until spirit started posting abstinence as the only way we had no trouble with people in the meds section being abstinent or using TSM to moderate or baclofen to have a drink and not crave another. This section was quite lively. It seems counterproductive that I've found My Way Out and am happy and have a life I've never imagined and I'm told I am wrong and don't have it right.

Anyway.. I don't really care and I have put Spirit on my ignore list so I don't have to see his posts. Done.
Drama on the threads is not something I need.

I am very sorry to all. Especially to the newcomer. (helpmequit: you're still invited to PM me if you're for real). I don't feel safe here at all anymore. I'm out. I'll see y'all soon, when I get my wits back about me. Until then, I apologize. I. Just. Can't. With all this crap. I'm out.

That turned out to be the shortest "break from the Med boards" ever, Spirit. Try it again, please. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you mean well, and if so, you will butt out of this thread.

Mentium - Unfortunately, Ne's right that the recent flurry of activity that started when spirit took a break from the forum is the most action this forum has seen in a long time.

Geez SF,seriously dude what you are saying you will do is just malicious beyond comprehension.Really,why would you want to destroy what Ne is trying to build as a positive foundation for her future?



I never say much but this morning I woke up to 3 or 4 new pages of what I can only be described as soap opera type drama and your behaviour has only regressed to that of a vindictive teenager.

You usually hold it together even under fire but I am completely blown away by where this has now gone.

The only things I will say further on this discussion is firstly by anyone replying to Spirit's posts they are just providing entertainment for him, and adding fuel to the fire. Nothing is gained for anyone here or the newcomer to this forum. All they will see is the friction. Let the tumbleweeds roll past Spirit's posts and the message will be clear; his posts are fractious at best.

I started my own forum because of unbridled bullying on this one. I'm really sad to see that things are devolving once again. I wish you much success with your own forum and I hope you will come back once in a while to update us.
I have a feeling that your nemesis is going to be desperately lost once you're posting elsewhere...it seems that he lives to harass the baclofen folks.

Fen,im sure he'll find another target pretty quickly

Oh Please. I'm tired of the fighting. sf, please stop.

Someone told me to have a quick look over here. S.F. does write grammatically correct., etc. But looking at this objectively it would appear that his intent is on needling people. He knows that he's annoying, but still persists. Loves defending himself in the "noble" manner of "helping" people.

Loves writing about himself in a very narcissistic way.

I don't think he's working for any recovery forum just loves the attention.

Through the years on this forum we have had many people who have aliases and cause trouble. Some are still drinking and others need a different kind of help.

Since it would appear he enjoys needling people, why allow it. Ignore him, his taunts and don't respond to his posts - just don't even read them. I know some have a lot of free hours in the day but they can be spent better than reading his posts.

I have no special feelings for SF, but I do tend to rally to the side of the underdog, and until just yesterday I had been perceiving SF as the underdog. But SF's most recent comments do make me question his bona fides.

-tk