Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

[Blue79]

Hi all,

Baclofen seems popular these days

There is zero chance I’m going to go up to the 300 - 400mg of Baclofen I would need due to the side effects, there is a non-trivial chance that I would end up killing someone on the roads or do something else stupid due to the sleepiness and manic episodes I have experienced with this drug. My high water mark with it was 100mg per day.

I have also tried and failed with Campral before, even though I had got 2 month AF with it, but I think that modest success was only due to an unusually high amount of remorse fuelled willpower that winter, rather than the pill.

So anyway I’m giving Naltrexone a go in the Sinclair Method.

So 50mg when drinking, I weigh about 11-12stone or 73 KG, am 30 years of age..


Week Units Notes
wk 52 50
wk1 Jan 12 ill cold/initial weakness brought on by NAL - Start naltrexone
wk2 2 ill cold
wk3 24
wk4 44 titrated down fully from baclofen
wk5 Feb 54 wedding weekend
wk6 44
wk7 56
wk8 54
wk9 40 Stopped smoking
wk10 42 (5 AF days in one week, did not take nal on time for either other days. ie there was an hour delay)
wk11 28 back smoking
wk12 40
wk13 58
wk14 40
wk15 26
wk16 44
wk17 27
wk18 46
Week 19 28
Week 20 24
Week 21 12
Week 22 25
Week 23 19
Week 24 13
Week 25 20
Week 26 8
Week 27 31
Week 28 18
Week 29 24
Week 30 22
Week 31 24
Week 32 34
Week 33 26
Week 34 25
Week 35 16
Week 36 27
Week 37 16
Week 38 12






So far the best cure was to get infected with a bad cold, that basically put me in a daze for a week or so as you can see above.. ps: on hindsight it seems the nal itself causes chronic fatigue


I might add on 3 occasions I went drinking taking no NAL in the past 3 weeks and also I am quite bad at taking it the recommended 1 hour before drinking, which is something I have to sort out. Often I will take it after I have drank 2 units.

I dont like to carry around pills in my pockets or wallet as they tend to fall apart, i need to find a container that will fit inside my wallet as its the only thing I carry everywhere.

I have a close family member who is after being locked up in some AA rehab nuthouse, and I certainly dont want to join him in a few years, it sounds like a 19th century puritan workhouse from what he tells me.

Anyway, any tips for me to maximise my chance of success with NAL? whens that 2nd generation NAL coming onstream also?

[Otter]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Hi,

You should read all of LoOps posts. I am sure he will be along shortly. He uses Nal and Baclofen very successfully. He has made some very interesting comments about Naltrexone completing the "cure". It was, I am afraid, far too scientific for me to understand but it sounded great.

The trick with Baclofen is to take very regular small doses to avoid those kind of side effects. You have to drip feed it, rather than take large single doses. You are right though. Even at small doses I take it can knock you off your feet, but that does go away.

Best of luck

[bleep]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

There is no reason to believe that you would have to take huge doses of baclofen for it to work. It effects everyone differently, and some people have found immediate relief. It is certainly worth trying.

I'm afraid I have no experience with naltrexone, so can't help you there.

Good luck, either way.

[Lo0p]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Yes, I've got some tips for you. Soon though, maybe later tonight.

[Lo0p]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Could you please describe week 3 for me in detail? Were you still sick?

[Guest]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

I know how you feel Blue I too have more side effects than are safe. It's the equivalent of me drinking all the time - something I tend not to do and cannot do on a daily basis. I don't think bac is suitable for everyone, we need to remember that people come here with different lifestyles, different requirements on a daily basis. For me the side effects of Baclofen have been as bad, if not worse than drinking itself. Also if I drink even a small amount on Bac, then the SEs are so bad for the following 24 hours that I couldn't drive. So I have been considering Naltrexone myself, and will be interested in following your progress.

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Lo0p;1061981 wrote: Could you please describe week 3 for me in detail? Were you still sick?

I could have done a better job taking notes..

I was past my cold, but i was somewhat detoxed so it took me a while to ramp up again to "normal" levels of alcohol consumption, think i had 3 drinking days, the first was only 4 units tho, which is very uncommon for me. prob was taking about 50mg of bac per day also.

I should also point out im not a daily drinker and have usually 3 AF days every week and i smoke heavily when i drink and cannot smoke when i dont drink.

Have a cold again this week but its much milder, has had little effect in reducing my cravings. Found 25 mg of bac today in a coat, score! who says that stuff isnt addictive!

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Ukblonde;1061989 wrote: I know how you feel Blue I too have more side effects than are safe. It's the equivalent of me drinking all the time - something I tend not to do and cannot do on a daily basis. I don't think bac is suitable for everyone, we need to remember that people come here with different lifestyles, different requirements on a daily basis. For me the side effects of Baclofen have been as bad, if not worse than drinking itself. Also if I drink even a small amount on Bac, then the SEs are so bad for the following 24 hours that I couldn't drive. So I have been considering Naltrexone myself, and will be interested in following your progress.

Naltrexone like Bac gave me horrible hangovers in the beginning.

Plus with Bac I was getting euphoric highs and my mind would not stop day dreaming when i was ramping up.

I remember barely being able to get out of the bed when i started nal, the liver gets completely drained from trying to cope with both the nal and the alcohol. I should have a few pink parts left on my liver to keep me going while i perform this experiment on myself!

[Guest]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Blue79;1062043 wrote: Naltrexone like Bac gave me horrible hangovers in the beginning.

Plus with Bac I was getting euphoric highs and my mind would not stop day dreaming when i was ramping up.

I remember barely being able to get out of the bed when i started nal, the liver gets completely drained from trying to cope with both the nal and the alcohol. I should have a few pink parts left on my liver to keep me going while i perform this experiment on myself!

Yes I find time and my mind just runs away elsewhere, I can't be bothered to do anything either.

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Updated.. Now at week 10, nothing major to report.. not seeing much change.

Although I am experiencing more AF days the last 2 weeks, this has more to do with a lull in my work, ie less stress.

Also I have stopped smoking which seems to abolish a lot of the fun of drinking. I get near uncontrollable urges to buy ciggies after a couple of drinks

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Update week 18: (I have updated the unit chart at the top of the thread)

Little to report, back smoking, also I now realise chronic fatigue is a definite side-effect of this drug. Essentially hangovers are much more draining since before i started taking nal, I suspect due to the extra load on the liver from the naltrexone. The extra abdominal pain and heat in the right side of my face in the morning tells me this too.

I am taking some ginsing, multivitimins and cod liver oil.

If i don?t see a real downward trend in units consumed in the next 8 weeks i'll consider a different brand of naltrexone(im taking something called antaxone x 50mg) or abandon this experiment at that point.

[Bruunhilde]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Hi Blue,

Since you're talking supplements, how about ALL-ONE or whey protein. Aminos are supposed to help alot.

Did you know there's a genetic test you can take to see if Nal will work for you? I'm thinking about doing that.

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Bruunhilde;1109652 wrote: Hi Blue,

Since you're talking supplements, how about ALL-ONE or whey protein. Aminos are supposed to help alot.

Did you know there's a genetic test you can take to see if Nal will work for you? I'm thinking about doing that.

Personal genomic testing is a promising but immature science at the moment. I should know if nal works for me or not in the next month or so, so i wont bother with sending a private company my entire genome.

I dont really know what whey protein is, I have a quantity of L-glutamine, but dont think much of it and just leave it on the shelf at the moment.

[eight days a week]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

I'm sorry to hear you haven't yet got the results you'd hoped for Blue.

I'd personally give it another two months to see if there are any changes. You've come this far, after all, and then maybe try switching brand like you say. With the switch you'll know if the stuff you've had so far is the 'real deal'.

Does the 'magic' of alcohol disappear when you take Nal, even though you haven't yet been able to reduce units?

I haven't used AllDayChemist for Nal for over a year, but know their Nal then was the same as the official UK stuff.

The very best of luck, and please keep us all posted

[Noelle]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

This is where I don't understand TSM. I take Naltrexone, 50mg per day, and I don't drink at all. I started 12/27/10 and haven't had a drink since. IMO, I think taking the Naltrexone and drinking is what's giving you the headaches. Could you try just not drinking?

I also heard Naltrexone can help you stop smoking but I wasn't interested in stopping so I didn't.......although I probably should have. :H

I was recently prescribed Vicodin for pain in my knee and before Naltrexone, Vicodin used to give me a wonderful high. It doesn't anymore. Just takes away the pain. Another effect of the Naltrexone.

Good luck on whatever you do.