Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Noelle wrote:
Could you try just not drinking?

A doctor actually said that to me before. I wont actually dignify your question with a proper response.

eight days a week wrote: Does the 'magic' of alcohol disappear when you take Nal, even though you haven't yet been able to reduce units?

There is actually a mild unit reduction, but its more to do with me being suffering a lot more from hangovers. I think the nal has some dulling effect. Buts its hard to say, stuff causes a general greying of the senses, thus the chronic fatigue. Time will tell.

[Guest]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

The only side effect I have with Naltrexone so far is nausea during the day. No other problems. Yes it has dulled the effect of alcohol for me, most days I am completely AF. Since starting Nal 16 days ago I have had 4 drinking instances. My unit background is I always binge, never stop at 1 or 2 units and almost always will drink 20-30 units in a few hours before passing out. The 4 evenings I've drank I've never gone over 11 units. I've actually had one night where I had one drink and I did not feel anything at all. No warm glow as it slips down the throat, to relaxation of the body and mind. It might as well have been lemonade. Later that evening I had a single measure of honey vodka, again nothing and you'd expect some sort of warmth from that spirit. Nowt at all and I actually had to be told to finish it!

That instance convinced me it is working. I'm AF most of the time (12 days out of 16) and my binges are no longer taking off. I'm at the point where if I've taken my naltrexone I think "What's the point in drinking, it's not going to affect me much!".

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Ukblonde;1110282 wrote: The only side effect I have with Naltrexone so far is nausea during the day. No other problems. Yes it has dulled the effect of alcohol for me, ...

That instance convinced me it is working. I'm AF most of the time (12 days out of 16) and my binges are no longer taking off. I'm at the point where if I've taken my naltrexone I think "What's the point in drinking, it's not going to affect me much!".

I probably am just drinking compulsively rather then to get the buzz.. although on monday i just had one beer that day, normally i would be compelled to drink 12-15 units.. go figure..

Units in the UK, Ireland the US are quiet differnt i think, i assume 2 units would be around a 500 ml can of 4.2% beer.

I assume you are taking nal every day, if you are getting nausea every day? I have gotten bouts of nausea accompanied by the fear too, but only when ive been out in the morning with inadequate sleep.

[Noelle]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Blue79;1110272 wrote: A doctor actually said that to me before. I wont actually dignify your question with a proper response.

Oh, but please, dignify my question. It wasn't meant in a mean or uneducated way. I truly would like to read a proper response.

[Guest]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Blue79;1110339 wrote: I probably am just drinking compulsively rather then to get the buzz.. although on monday i just had one beer that day, normally i would be compelled to drink 12-15 units.. go figure..

Units in the UK, Ireland the US are quiet differnt i think, i assume 2 units would be around a 500 ml can of 4.2% beer.

I assume you are taking nal every day, if you are getting nausea every day? I have gotten bouts of nausea accompanied by the fear too, but only when ive been out in the morning with inadequate sleep.

I have tried to avoid the compulsion in that I'm coming at this without any pressure in any direction. If I drink I drink, if I don't I don't. Having just spent 3-4 months feeling ill every day, this kind of throws me towards not drinking option without much trouble.

I'm taking 50mg Nal most days, if there is a day I'm pretty sure I won't be able to drink on then I might miss it - but if I then feel in danger I'll take the 50mg later on. I also take an extra 50mg if I feel I'm going to be drinking at the end of the 10 hour window of nal effectiveness. The night I only had 2 drinks (around 2 units), and felt zero effect was one where I'd taken an extra 50mg later in the day(but still waited 2 hours before drinking). Yes I am getting the nausea most days, usually around late morning to mid afternoon. I'm also quite off certain foods too.

Going to play around with this a bit more.

Uk units are calculated as (% strength x volume in mls)/1000 I only had about 2 units the evening I felt absolutely nothing. To feel nothing from alcohol is a break through to me, but 2 days later I did force down around 7 units. Did feel it but it was completely forced, and took a great deal of effort. One thing I liked about alcohol is that it was pretty effortless. You pour the stuff down your throat, and get an almost immediate effect, Nal appears to have spoiled this!

[eight days a week]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

I've read your thread again, and I'm a bit concerned about your theories about your liver and Nal, have you had full liver tests? I know a lot about a lot of people who have taken it (many are/were very heavy drinkers) and never heard people saying it seems to affect their liver so much.

Have you thought of taking supplements that aid the liver (milk thistle and others)?

@UK, it's absolutely wonderful that it seems to be suiting you so well, and doing exactly what you wanted, great stuff

Noelle;1109852 wrote: This is where I don't understand TSM. I take Naltrexone, 50mg per day, and I don't drink at all. I started 12/27/10 and haven't had a drink since. IMO, I think taking the Naltrexone and drinking is what's giving you the headaches.
You might be right or wrong about the headaches, but you're only the second person I've ever heard of that Nal works for by taking it and being abstinent (actually my friend is a social drinker, but it works like that for him on that level). Good for you though!! One thing is absolutely clear to me about this medicine, and that is that it has a wide range of effects, from the percentage who feel 'cured' or that they've 'regained control' via TSM, to those (like me) that it dampened the magic but didn't help them reduce, those that it does help them to reduce somewhat, right to those that it doesn't seem to have any effect for at all.

Blue79;1110339 wrote: I probably am just drinking compulsively rather then to get the buzz.. although on monday i just had one beer that day, normally i would be compelled to drink 12-15 units.. go figure..

Units in the UK, Ireland the US are quiet differnt i think, i assume 2 units would be around a 500 ml can of 4.2% beer.

Pretty close - a 4% drink at 500ml is 2 UK units. A pint of the same is 2.3.

It sounds like the compulsion is being helped at times, but that it's still there (probably very) strongly at others. Promising I'd say, and I would stick with it. The part the book skips over entirely is trying to use a bit of willpower if possible. I never felt I could do it on Nal, myself. Looking back, I'm sure I could have, and if I had I think I might have got some results from TSM, but it didn't feel like it was possible at the time, such was the grip of drinking on me.

Noelle;1110355 wrote: Oh, but please, dignify my question. It wasn't meant in a mean or uneducated way. I truly would like to read a proper response.

I hope Blue doesn't mind me saying so, but I think he's already dignified your question with a proper response! In my own words (from where I was at) if you can ask someone this question you just don't understand how badly alcohol has taken a grip on that person.

[Noelle]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

eight days a week;1110378 wrote: You might be right or wrong about the headaches, but you're only the second person I've ever heard of that Nal works for by taking it and being abstinent (actually my friend is a social drinker, but it works like that for him on that level). Good for you though!! One thing is absolutely clear to me about this medicine, and that is that it has a wide range of effects, from the percentage who feel 'cured' or that they've 'regained control' via TSM, to those (like me) that it dampened the magic but didn't help them reduce, those that it does help them to reduce somewhat, right to those that it doesn't seem to have any effect for at all.I fully understand that I am one of the few lucky ones who Naltrexone works for in this way.

eight days a week;1110378 wrote: I hope Blue doesn't mind me saying so, but I think he's already dignified your question with a proper response! In my own words (from where I was at) if you can ask someone this question you just don't understand how badly alcohol has taken a grip on that person.

I drank from the early 70s until recenty. Don't even think I don't understand how bad alcohol is and the grip it can have on someone. I just wondered why someone can't just *try* and stop drinking while using the Naltrexone. It makes me ask myself if someone really *wants* to stop, or is just taking the medication to keep drinking, albiet less. That's all. If one is so worried about their liver......well, self-explanatory to me.

[eight days a week]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Noelle;1110406 wrote: I just wondered why someone can't just *try* and stop drinking while using the Naltrexone. It makes me ask myself if someone really *wants* to stop, or is just taking the medication to keep drinking, albiet less. That's all. If one is so worried about their liver......well, self-explanatory to me.

I think it's very easy to infer from Blue's answer that he is unable to stop drinking while using Naltrexone, and that is completely common for alcoholics (from everything I've seen and read).

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Latest, i started at week 1 here..

[Guest]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Hey Blue

Looks like you are doing just great there:goodjob:. Have you found your actual drinking pattern has changed, or that you are simply drinking less?

[KatieSmiles]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Hi Blue

The graph tells the story...it looks as if TSM is working for you. I'm curious, have you have posted at all on the TSM website forum? I'm sure they would love to hear from you, it's a great site with a ton of information on TSM.

[KatieSmiles]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

here's the link if you are interested thesinclairmethod.com • Index page

[sylvia1]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

Hi Blue,

I just sent you a pm.

Sylvia

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?

eight days a week;1110378 wrote: I've read your thread again, and I'm a bit concerned about your theories about your liver and Nal, have you had full liver tests? I know a lot about a lot of people who have taken it (many are/were very heavy drinkers) and never heard people saying it seems to affect their liver so much.

Have you thought of taking supplements that aid the liver (milk thistle and others)?

I have no faith in doctors to do anything about my liver even if they find anything, so im not bothering spending the 60 quid on a test only to be told by some punk doctor I should 'cut down' on my drinking, go to councilling, or take some B vits.

Ukblonde, I have started a new job 5 weeks ago after a 3 month stint unemployed, so im preoccupied with that, which probably is having an impact on my weekly pattern.

The last time I drank, it was 13 units(about 6 pints) last friday night. I had a headache the next day, which never happens, and was unwilling to leave the house due to the fear.

That was all I had in the week.

KatieSmiles, I might post something over there after a few more months, I dont see the current trend as indicative of anything yet. I still have intense cravings and have a general feeling of unease nearly all the time. A futher 4-6 weeks are probably needed.

[Blue79]

Naltrexone Sinclair try out, any tips?



Update.

If any of you use a particular brand of Nal that you find good, let me know, thanks.

I am feeling a little abdominal pain also, I'll have to wait a few months for an ultrasound though. I may have to go private and pay the few hundred to get this done quicker in case its something serious.

The right side of my face gets red after i drink, this might be blood vessel damage.