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[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Oh, no, fellas. Just beginning! Let the conspiracy theories stew for awhile and then *boom* I can't resist, it all falls into place! Usually when I'm bac'd out at 3am. It all makes perfect sense. I've even solved the global economic crisis! We should all just be nice to one another, and say nice things, and give money to people who need it. VOILA! crisis averted. All thanks to bac!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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No worries, anonymity. Let's be friends!

[anonymity]

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At first I thought I was just having a GHB trip or something, but the same ideas keep coming back over and over again. It also answers darwin, but i wont go that far right away.

[bleep]

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What sort of posts were you hoping for? Let us know. It's hard to launch into a technical debate about titration, for example, when it's just starting out....

[anonymity]

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Just some scenarios what your went through before using bac and what bac did with your addiction and what you feel right now. We need to pull other peoples attention to ask questions. Bac users can only give right answers to questions, not tell people what to do.

[Otter]

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bleep;1066467 wrote: I think Tip is talking about someone else Otter, who caused quite a stir a while back on the boards...

He is talking about Phill.

I have put the Baclofen Forum on my website at Home - Baclofen UK. I had my own forum but I found it too time consuming and it turned into a dialogue between me and a few people looking for advice on taking Baclofen which I am not qualified to give, so I closed it.

There are a lot of forums which have picked up on the Baclofen theme. The underlying issue is amydala deficit of some sort. I am not a neurologist but from what I have read it is the seat of memories, emotions and a lot more. It is key to understanding behaviour and needs a lot more attention from behavioural scientists.

I am happy to help because as much as I like coming here, I think Baclofen needs and deserves its own space.

BTW Ne, thanks for your kind words and support. I have picked up a bit. I like the Avatar. You can be my friend any time.

Cheers

Otter

[anonymity]

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bleep;1066559 wrote: I think the ball just needs to get rolling, then it feeds off itself. Have you any other sources that posters are coming from?

There goes neva's big investigation!

Nup not yet. I went here to see titration schedules, but after trying it I also recognized other uses. The forum categories were not my idea, my friend came with them but I was already thinking of them. You see the link?

This forum is good and helps people with addiction, but bac is far bigger than just addiction problems. Far far bigger. That is why I posted the link here.

[anonymity]

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Otter;1066584 wrote: He is talking about Phill.

You have some more information?

[anonymity]

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Otter;1066584 wrote: He is talking about Phill.

I have put the Baclofen Forum on my website at Home - Baclofen UK. I had my own forum but I found it too time consuming and it turned into a dialogue between me and a few people looking for advice on taking Baclofen which I am not qualified to give, so I closed it.

There are a lot of forums which have picked up on the Baclofen theme. The underlying issue is amydala deficit of some sort. I am not a neurologist but from what I have read it is the seat of memories, emotions and a lot more. It is key to understanding behaviour and needs a lot more attention from behavioural scientists.

I am happy to help because as much as I like coming here, I think Baclofen needs and deserves its own space.

BTW Ne, thanks for your kind words and support. I have picked up a bit. I like the Avatar. You can be my friend any time.

Cheers

Otter

Yep you will be shocked on what levels it works, dont push it. People will find it themselves..

[Otter]

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I have sent you a pm. This is very hush, hush stuff. Cloak and dagger, say no more.

[anonymity]

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We should also get some scientific papers on the subjects of the forum. I already found one on the eating disorders and am formatting one on autism.

[Otter]

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Amydala issues

Here is something from Phill:

Consequently, scientists now believe (although the details have yet to be worked out completely) that a malfunctioning or damaged Amygdala has a crucial role in the development of a wide range of psychological and psychiatric conditions. To date, these include:

? Alcoholism and other addictions, especially if they are caused by chronic anxiety
? Panic Attacks
? Bipolar Disorder
? Clinical Depression
? General Anxiety Disorder
? Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
? Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
? Phobias
? Panic Attacks
? Autism
? Schizophrenia


Recent studies have also shown that a naturally occurring brain peptide (CRF) has an additional effect when combined with alcohol. Both appear to influence activity within the Amygdala by increasing its transmission of GABA.

It is all very interesting and hugely promising for so many people.

Cheers

[beatle]

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Ukblonde;1066342 wrote: Does Roberta not make profit from the supplements?subscribers and her book?Or are they sold at cost?

Ne/Neva Eva;1066425 wrote:
I also feel a great deal of gratitude for mywayout and the owners of this site. Who are, by the way, a corporation and not a person. The person whose name is on that book is not even a person. It's a pseudonym.
I don't even care that the site is sponsored by an online drug company. More power to them. I hope the owners of the company, and the person behind the pseudonym are very, very wealthy and living contented productive lives.
Also, it's not non-profit, for sure. I think it may even be a publicly traded company, but not sure. capalo press

Sorry, I have to set the record straight here about MWO. It is a non-profit organization, which means that no, Roberta Jewell does not make money directly from the products sold or from the advertising. (Notice the .org not .com at the end of the website address.)

So, this is from indirect knowledge about non-profits, having friends and family members running non-profits. I believe this to be true, but it could have some inaccuracies.

A non-profit does strive to make money to continue its activities. Nobody can invest money in a non-profit (they can only give tax-deductible contributions), and nobody at all, nobody working for a non-profit, even the founders, can gain money directly from the income of the non-profit organization.

There is a board of directors who oversees the budget, and all extra money is reinvested into the organization, or used in other ways that support and further the organization's goals.

The only way Roberta can get any money from the non-profit that she started is by getting a salary, as set out by and approved by the board of directors, an independent body. (Remember, I'm speaking from knowledge I have gained over the years... later I will check up on the facts... but just wanted to get this out there).

And, Roberta Jewell is a real person, although it is a pseudonym.

I have spoken to her on the phone several times, once when she was talking me out of suicide. She read one of my posts and was so concerned that she sent me a PM with her phone numbers on it. I called her and she talked with me for almost two hours.

I believe the book is a real book she wrote based on her real experience, and the MWO site and forums and all the supplements came after. When I started here, there were hardly any supplements offered, the main one being All-One, offered through another company (not MWO), which I looked up and is a small, independent, family-run company in the U.S. with an amazing ethic and history.

Roberta, or RJ as we knew her, was personally active on the forums (very active back in 2007), giving advice, both in posts and PMs and also posting interesting research as it came out. There were no monitors then. She was the monitor, and she responded when needed and always answered PMs.

I assume she still exists, but has pulled herself out of the running of the forums. At one point, the new monitor system was announced, and at that time it was said that the monitors would be chosen out of the posters who had shown the most objectiveness and maturity (or some such). I (and many others) were so outraged by this that we either quit, or withdrew for a period. We first made our outrage and demands for an explanation known, and were greatly disappointed by RJ's failure to respond. (I think I only posted on Holistic for about a year, maybe.)

I don't know what RJ is doing now, but probably running the larger organization MWO has become. Or maybe she has moved on.

But she is indeed a real person, she is not personally benefitting the money you spend here, nor from the advertising money from the banner ads here.

MWO is not corporation with wealthy investors; it is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to helping people with alcohol addiction problems.

If you are skeptical about it, do your own research and let me know if you find otherwise.

The part about RJ, though, is true. She is a very real person who has done an amazing thing. She has probably saved many lives, perhaps even mine.

[beatle]

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Ukblonde;1066342 wrote: Does Roberta not make profit from the supplements?subscribers and her book?Or are they sold at cost?

Ne/Neva Eva;1066425 wrote:
I also feel a great deal of gratitude for mywayout and the owners of this site. Who are, by the way, a corporation and not a person. The person whose name is on that book is not even a person. It's a pseudonym.
I don't even care that the site is sponsored by an online drug company. More power to them. I hope the owners of the company, and the person behind the pseudonym are very, very wealthy and living contented productive lives.
Also, it's not non-profit, for sure. I think it may even be a publicly traded company, but not sure. capalo press

Sorry, I have to set the record straight here, or at least what I know of the record.

MWO is a non-profit organization, which means that MWO is not making money on us. (Notice the .org, not .com, at the end of the website address.) It is not allowed to.

How it works with Capalo, which owns MWO, I'm not sure. I believe it was set up as an adjunct company to make products to support the program, and in that case, it is possible Roberta Jewell (RJ) is making money through this... but it seems dubious both technically and ethically. Could be a matter of interest to investigate, but I don't have the time.

But from indirect knowledge about non-profits, having friends and family members running non-profits, a non-profit does strive to make money to continue its activities. Nobody can invest money in a non-profit (they can only give tax-deductible contributions), and nobody at all, nobody working for a non-profit, even the founders, can gain money directly from the income of the non-profit organization.

There is a board of directors who oversees the budget, and all profits are reinvested into the organization, or used in other ways that support and further the organization's goals.

If RJ is making money from MWO, it would be through a salary, as determined by the BoD. It would not be connected to the intake from products sold and banner advertising.

And, most importantly, Roberta Jewell is a real person (although it is, indeed, a pseudonym).

I have spoken to her on the phone several times. She read one of my posts on MWO and was so concerned that she sent me a PM with her phone numbers on it. I called her and she talked with me for almost two hours.

I am quite certain the book is a real book that she wrote based on her real experience. When I started here, there were hardly any supplements offered, the main one being All-One, offered through another company (not MWO), which is a small, independent, family-run company in the U.S.

Roberta, or RJ as we knew her, was personally active on the forums (very active back in 2007), giving advice, both in posts and PMs, and also posting interesting research as it came out. There were no monitors then. She was the monitor, and she responded when needed and always answered PMs.

I assume she still exists, but has pulled herself out of the running of the forums. At one point, the new monitor system was announced, and at that time it was said that the monitors would be chosen out of the posters who had shown the most objectiveness and maturity (or some such). I (and many others) were so outraged by this that we either quit, or withdrew for a period. We first made our outrage and demands for an explanation known, and were greatly disappointed by RJ's failure to respond. (I think I only posted on Holistic for about a year, maybe.)

I don't know what RJ is doing now, but probably running the larger organization MWO has become. Or maybe she has moved on.

But she is indeed a real person, and I believe she is not personally benefitting from the money you spend here, nor from the advertising money from the banner ads here, nor is MWO.

EDIT: I may very well be mistaken about this last point. From the information Doggygirl gave, and further research, it could be that MWO and RJ personally are benefiting from our money, and perhaps based on a bit of a misrepresentation. But, as Otter and so many say, it doesn't really matter. We are all here -- and if someone makes money out of it, all the better. (Still, personally, it matters a little for me.)

[Doggygirl]

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Hi Beatle. I have no idea of the profit or non-profit status of MWO or Capalo. What I will say is that the .org extension on the web address doesn't mean MWO is not-for-profit. Anyone can own a .org domain name. I'm not sure if that is what you meant when you mentioned it. Just wanted to clarify in case there was an assumption that .org = 501c3. It does not. Our company owns several .org domains and we are not 501c3.

I was not able to find My Way Out or Capalo Press listed on the US government site for such organizations. I'm not a very good searcher though, so might have missed it. In case anyone cares to search on, here is a link. Search for Charities, Online Version of Publication 78 For the heck of it, I did input a few local charities that I KNOW are 501c3's and they did come up in this database.

FWIW,

DG