New forum about baclofen

[beatle]

New forum about baclofen

Doggygirl;1066741 wrote: Hi Beatle. I have no idea of the profit or non-profit status of MWO or Capalo. What I will say is that the .org extension on the web address doesn't mean MWO is not-for-profit. Anyone can own a .org domain name. I'm not sure if that is what you meant when you mentioned it. Just wanted to clarify in case there was an assumption that .org = 501c3. It does not. Our company owns several .org domains and we are not 501c3.

I was not able to find My Way Out or Capalo Press listed on the US government site for such organizations. I'm not a very good searcher though, so might have missed it. In case anyone cares to search on, here is a link. Search for Charities, Online Version of Publication 78 For the heck of it, I did input a few local charities that I KNOW are 501c3's and they did come up in this database.

DG

Thank you Doggygirl. That comes as a surprise.

I looked it up and and apparently, as you say, you don't have to be a 501c3 to get a .org domain name.

Wikipedia:
The domain name org is a generic top-level domain (gTLD) of the Domain Name System (DNS) used in the Internet. The name is derived from organization. The org domain was one of the original top-level domains,[1], with com, edu, gov, mil and net, established in January 1985. It was originally intended for non-profit organizations or organizations of a non-commercial character that did not meet the requirements for other gTLDs. ... Although org was recommended for non-commercial entities, there are no restrictions to registration.[citation needed]

In other words, the recommendation is that a .org domain name is a non-commercial entity, as that was its original intention, meaning the perception would also be that it is a non-profit entity.

I also see in another place that .org is supposed to be associated with non-profits or organizations of that ilk:

".ORG domains are identical to other domains except that a .ORG domain typically implies the associated website is a non-profit organization, non-governmental agency (NGO), or a grass roots campaign focused on activism and/or education. New non-profits and grass roots campaigns can profit from the low overhead and high visibility associated with having their own website."

Learn about .ORG Domain names and domain name registration - Domain.org

So it is certainly technically possible that MWO is indeed a commercial enterprise which has taken advantage of the opportunity to appear as if it is not. This would be quite appalling to me, and hopefully, this is not the case.

The part in my post about Roberta personally stands, of course.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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good stuff here.
I'm pretty sure mwo is indeed a commercial enterprise and I'm pretty sure it's publicly traded on the NYSE. Can't remember where or how I found the information.

It is definitely not a 501c3.

Does it matter? I'm humbled by your personal account beatle. Glad you shared it.

Otter, THANK you! Vital info there. I really need to order his book.

Anonymity! don't be put off!!! This is the nature of these forums! You have provided a vital service and I don't care who you are or why you did it. (sort of. If you're working for big pharma then, well, we'll have to talk. just sayin') But even I am not that cynical yet.

I will be over on the new forum with bells on. And my story, fwiw.
It's going to be tough for us to balance our love of MWO and the support of a new bac-only venture, but I have longed for this day...)
K/Ne

[Otter]

New forum about baclofen

For the record, it does not matter to me what MWO is, charitable or not.

The point is, there is nothing wrong with making money out of helping people. That goes for what anyone else is doing too. Let's not be hypocritical.

I just want to welcome a forum which is devoted to Baclofen. MWO is good for sharing ideas and helping each other but there is a wider world out there as well. There are forums like this for all sorts of illnesses which stem from something wrong with the amygdala, part of the brain. Very few have picked up on Baclofen.

I want to digresss. I do not believe in a "mind". The problems underlying alcoholism are physical. The mind is a sensation we have because we exist in the electrical transmissions around our body and brain. The amygdala is central to all of that. I am not a brain doctor but it is becoming more obvious how important it is every day. Thomas Szasz wrote "The Myth of Mental Illness" 50 years ago. We need to move on in our understanding of mental illnesses as being organically caused and medically treatable. Maybe not all are treatable but that is the way things will go.

People here talk about figuring things our much better on Baclofen. I agree. I have had the same experiences. Part of the anxiety mechanism in the brain is about "self preservation". Without our individual anxieties we would all be different people. Just think that if you had no fear of other people because that part of your brain did not exist, maybe you would look at yourself as part of a bigger thing, that communicates through various mediums such as electrical and other fields as well as touch, sight, sound. Maybe we are all just reproductions of these "forces" and maybe, the same way we have a "mind" because we have electrical impulses running through us, the whole big thing has a "mind" which we just cannot comprehend.

Also, maybe AA works for some people the same way religion works. Maybe if you think someone supremely powerful loves you and you will have eternal life, it releases chemicals into your brain which calms down the brain and even creates a sense of euphoria. Maybe that is what AA is all about and how it works, when it works.

I am not paranoid but the fear of being associated with an alcoholic or being one is truly overwhelming. It affects every aspect of life, puts one's family, marriage, career, health at risk and when these all come together at once, it is pretty frightening. The proof that Baclofen works is that it allows one to carry on through this and even become well. It is important for recovery that people "out there" realize that and the stigma of this illness is lifted. That is why this is so important to me and why I am working so hard. Whatever happens between my wife and I or to her, I have a son and I don't want him affected by this for the rest of his life. Baclofen offers the hope that we can get beyond this and look forward to a day when saying one is an alcoholic results in others offering real help, support and understanding, not arrests, police cells, courts, loss of job, illness and public humiliation.

Any site which can further that has to be a welcome thing and we have to come out of the closet at some point, pin our colours to the mast about Baclofen and make a noise about it somehow.

[Otter]

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Here is the latest on Arbaclofen. Actually it is not later than the article in Forbes. Arbaclofen is the left side of the Baclofen molecule. It seems that the bad side effects of Baclofen stem from the left side of the molecule while the good effects come from the right side, so Arbaclofen is R(ight)Baclofen. Neat! I was thinking of cutting off the left side of my pills!

Seaside Therapeutics Reports Positive Data from Phase 2 Study of STX209

[beatle]

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Amazing post Otter. (the one about the concept of the "mind")

[Otter]

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Yes, think about it. It freaks me out. Sort of a scientific basis for religion! In the beginning was the word...

I spent a lot of time chasing after psychiatrists and researching "mental illnesses". A huge waste of time.

[Guest]

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I'm afraid police cells get offered because someone has done something destructive, my drink driving accident was awful and yes I deserved a police cell for that - plus the punishment that followed. If we offered leniency to those who break the law then you'd have all and sundry claiming 'alcoholism' as their defence and escaping punishment. Unfortunately enforcing treatment also doesn't work since not every alcoholic is willing to give up and I don't see how that is going to change. All I can see is that the treatment range available can simply expand.

[Doggygirl]

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beatle;1066992 wrote: Amazing post Otter. (the one about the concept of the "mind")

Ditto.

Just wanted to mention again that I find all the info here about baclofen and people's experiences - success and challenges - to be very interesting. When I read about the SE's I am grateful I was able to get sober without going through that. But if what I'm doing stops working, I'm glad I know about this option. I am also happy to suggest this option to those who are still suffering - and for me that includes people I know in and around AA.

I don't know why the "talk therapy" etc. around the AA table is so helpful to me. But it is, so I keep doing it. That doesn't make it right for everyone, etc. I still wonder what it is that makes it helpful to some.

DG

[Otter]

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Ukblonde;1067008 wrote: I'm afraid police cells get offered because someone has done something destructive, my drink driving accident was awful and yes I deserved a police cell for that - plus the punishment that followed. If we offered leniency to those who break the law then you'd have all and sundry claiming 'alcoholism' as their defence and escaping punishment. Unfortunately enforcing treatment also doesn't work since not every alcoholic is willing to give up and I don't see how that is going to change. All I can see is that the treatment range available can simply expand.

Yes UK, you are right. As things stand, there is not a "recognized" cure for alcoholism. Maybe in the future, if people know about Baclofen, then they can avoid getting into trouble by getting help and treatment before they hit rock bottom. Also, if they do get into trouble, they can be put in touch with a doctor who can help them.

If Baclofen is a good treatment then it will make it worse for people who know they can get help with alcoholism but refuse.

So, in many ways, Baclofen will make it more "just" to punish people who drink and offend when they have a way of avoiding it but refuse to take it. It all requires a lot of publicity about Baclofen and lots of support for those who want to take it and recover.

[bleep]

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Wow, I'm researching baclofen in general, and came across this forum. What these guys know about baclofen, and drugs in general seems astonishing. They were relatively unaware of the anti addiction qualities of baclofen, but accepted it without question. I'm hoping someone like terryk or 37 will wander across and have a chat with them, just to see what comes of it.

Baclofen - Social Anxiety Forum

Hint hint 37. Terryk.

[Otter]

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I am planning to spend more time over there. The other thing about MWO is that it is for "alcoholics". Well, that term seems to me to be redundant.

And, what about people like me and others who want to help? I take Baclofen but I don't have such harrowing stories to tell about myself and there are few people in my position, it seems. I need help for me and my wife but it is not right sharing someone else's stories when they are not well enough themselves to get help.

We are talking about 2 million people dying each year from alcohol and that is the tip of an iceberg both in terms of the damage it does and problems from other related conditions.

When you think about it, how much do we know about the brain? Who goes to their doctor and says "my brain is not working right, can you give me something for it?" There is a whole new developing field of pharmaceuticals called "nootropics" including nootropil, piracetam, hydergine and baclofen which treat the brain as an organ rather than than "psychotropics" or psychiatric medications which treat the "psyche". So where is this "psyche"? Floating about in some metaphysical Neverland?

[Otter]

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bleep;1067020 wrote: Wow, I'm researching baclofen in general, and came across this forum. What these guys know about baclofen, and drugs in general seems astonishing. They were relatively unaware of the anti addiction qualities of baclofen, but accepted it without question. I'm hoping someone like terryk or 37 will wander across and have a chat with them, just to see what comes of it.

Baclofen - Social Anxiety Forum

Hint hint 37. Terryk.

Bleep

Can you go into the forum and direct them over here or to the Baclofen forum. I noticed you joined both. If that is you. I think they would be really useful on both sites.

OMG...It has just sunk in.

Forget Ameisen.

This is really huge.

These guys are saying that the whole of mental illness is about to be stood on its head because all human behaviour is affected by the amygdala. It is fundamental to every aspect of our lives and how we perceive ourselves and others.

Forget Sigmund Freud as well.

[bleep]

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I have posted a link Otter - it needs to be approved by a moderator before it will be posted properly. Why don't you join up, you have one of the biggest knowledge of baclofen I've ever come across?

[anonymity]

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I told you it explains modern Darwin...

Mental balance is Determinism.
Nature versus Nurture.
The Holy Grail.
The Seven Deadly Sins
The Seven Deeds of Mercy
etcetera

I don't know if you notice but everybody is a bit off balance. With baclofen (or in the future stx209) mankind is able to get everybody balanced and make proper use of our congenital intelligence. We are on the eve of a new phase in human evolution.

[Otter]

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There is this theory of the infinite. It goes like this: There are only so many ways you can rearrange molecules so that in infinity we must eventually repeat, infinitely. If that extends to time, backwards and forwards, then this has all been done before, infinitely, like groundhog day. So, maybe when the Bible talks about an age of grace about to arrive, it has happened before and some people are just attuned into that, genetically. We could be entering into an age of medically induced peace and understanding... And we have all been here before and will all be back. Just watch.