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[beatle]

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Yay! :yougo: I love zolpidem (have I said that before?)

I know you build a tolerance quickly (like I do) so I go with my advice to take it a couple nights, then off a couple. That way you can get some good sleep nights in, and try other methods in between, whilst not building tolerance. I know I can go 2 nights without sleep if I get one good one.

And obviously, more natural methods are far preferable, but you need to get your body jump-started right now. It doesn't have energy for the long haul approach yet.

[Longshot]

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beatle;1066006 wrote: Yay! :yougo: I love zolpidem (have I said that before?)

I know you build a tolerance quickly (like I do) so I go with my advice to take it a couple nights, then off a couple. That way you can get some good sleep nights in, and try other methods in between, whilst not building tolerance. I know I can go 2 nights without sleep if I get one good one.

And obviously, more natural methods are far preferable, but you need to get your body jump-started right now. It doesn't have energy for the long haul approach yet.

I'm planning on Friday/Saturday/Sunday Zolpodem.

And Monday, Tueday, Wednesday, on Seroquel.

There's little point attempting to figure out if a switch has or hasnt been hit, if I can barely function as a human being.

[redhead77]

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Longshot, I'm rooting for you. I know you feel really crappy but I hope you can find some much needed sleep. I'm glad you have a plan. Good work.:goodjob:

[Longshot]

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redhead77;1066043 wrote: Longshot, I'm rooting for you. I know you feel really crappy but I hope you can find some much needed sleep. I'm glad you have a plan. Good work.:goodjob:

I am wankered tired.

I discovered this week that a bunch of teeth in my mouth are so rotten they need to be replaced.

I also found out that I've been walking around for three weeks with what appears to be fractured wrist.

I'm running around with a bac dosage most people couldn't cope with. I'm exhausted. I just need some sleep ASAP.

[beatle]

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YES! Get the sleep. Worry about the rest later. I have or have had all the same problems. It will all look like crap in the morning, but a little more handleable crap.

A thing of concern for me, though, is your high dose of bac. It could very well be unrelated to your switch point that you don't "feel" the switch at such a high level. All I'm saying is that you might want to slowly reduce your bac doses while you get a hold of the sleep problems and the other meds.

Sweet dreams :-)

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You need sleep and you don't need any more drugs in your system. Fuck........ I hate execising for exercise sake but it gives me a good nights sleep. Over do it. Try not to sprain or harm yourself. Join a gym, play tennis with Ally, take a long run/walk with Bach - do them all - try to be a fitness nut - better than an unhealthy one.

The switch is real. Its actually a physical nerve pathway that has been changed in your brain. How we perceive it is not so clean cut. Many times on here people have waited days or even weeks before announcing that they have reached the climax of the Bac journey - its not that obvious. After a lifetime of doing it, so many things lead to drink that it can be confusing which ones are alcoholic necessities and which ones are just good fun or habits.

A small reduction in the Bac intake won't alter your Bac journey so much but may well help to mitigate any insomnia caused by it.

Life has been made to fit around drinking, maybe a holiday (mountain climbing in Tibet comes to mind) will give you a chance to get away from the old triggers and start a life AF. That sounds better than my previous post.

[Longshot]

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Managed five hours sleep last night.

Head still feels like it's in a fucking vice.

[bleep]

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Do that again tonight and the vice might feel a little looser though...

Are you still cocktailing on a massive scale?

[Longshot]

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bleep;1066562 wrote: Do that again tonight and the vice might feel a little looser though...

Are you still cocktailing on a massive scale?

Yup, I'm weaning off the benzos as not to freak my body out (down to .25) I'd forgotten how much more pleasant zolpidem is to benzos (helping you sleep rather than punching you out) Still on 425mg bach, and before I sleep 300mg 5-Htp, 15gram lithium oridate)

I have decided my wrist is completely fucked, I need to go to hospital on monday.

I don't really have much going on at the moment, I may have some work lined up for the end of March, start of May, or start of June. All very ad hoc. The most definitive work will require moving country.

My current priorities are getting my wrist sorted. Getting some Seroquel on Monday or Tuesday, and getting my sleep pattern normalised, and hitting the switch and Titrating down, and that is all I have planned to do for March.

[ignominious]

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The head in a vice thing sounds just like a bac SE.

Did I read you were on 450mg and if so did you reduce last night and do you think that accounted for more sleep?

[Longshot]

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ignominious;1066578 wrote: The head in a vice thing sounds just like a bac SE.

Did I read you were on 450mg and if so did you reduce last night and do you think that accounted for more sleep?

I reduced during the week. no alteration in SE.

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Maybe the Bac needed a few days to reduce its concentration in your CNS - only a possibility.

Strenuous exercise is out atm with your broken wrist but I guess long walks would still be OK. And possibly getting away on holiday. Think of it as rehab where you have gone so you don't have the usual triggers to drink.

I think it may be possible you are drinking for fun, something to do, to get out of your skull rather than your need to satisfy the addiction. My apologies for saying this if it gets you irate or people generally think I'm being an imbecile!

For me sometimes the thought of life without having someway to relax, get out of my head is quite a burden. I personally want to face it, whatever it is and find a way to deal with it.

[bleep]

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I have the same thing Ig. I don't have a release valve anymore. The fact that I abused it in the past in no way detracts from the fact that it was an escape valve.

I need to find another one soon. Exercise bores me. Soduko bores me. Etc, etc, etc... Boredom bores me.

Still, there are worse issues to have.

[Longshot]

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bleep;1066642 wrote: I have the same thing Ig. I don't have a release valve anymore. The fact that I abused it in the past in no way detracts from the fact that it was an escape valve.

I need to find another one soon. Exercise bores me. Soduko bores me. Etc, etc, etc... Boredom bores me.

Still, there are worse issues to have.

Yeah I work freelance 9 months out of the year I'm employed and work full time 70 hr weeks.

For the last few years I've spent the other three months blizzed drunk, sobering up, as and when I got work.

I've never even tried to get work. Usually my phone rings, at some point, and bam work arrives.

Now I'm sober and have at least several weeks to fill before I get a job.

The space is terrifying. And with insomnia it seems eternal.

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Hey, Longshot: sounds like a really rough go. I'm pulling for you and completely trust that you'll find your way out.

Re the seroquel: have someone around who knows exactly what you're doing. I know of one instance where the seroquel gave the much needed sleep but those hours of sleep were enough to induce baclofen withdrawal. He woke up in a psychotic state convinced that family members trying to give him baclofen were trying to poison him. Everyone hung in with it and now he's doing great, but it was scary, to say the least.

I was taking seroquel before I started baclofen and I've never had a problem, so I totally encourage you to give it a try. Just a heads up . . .

Good luck!!!