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[TracyA]

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So far, not bad. I feel kind of stoned, in a good way.

I'm noticing strange things and have unusual physical sensations, like when I clear my throat, it feels really nice, so I keep doing it. My dog looked at me funny, and then "fluffed" himself. I don't understand it because he's been neutered. I've tried to tell him, "Dude, you ain't got no balls. You shouldn't be able to do that, and there's no where to go with it anyway. So please stop it because it's freaky and disturbing." He just wags his tale, which wags the other thing, which is even more disturbing and which is entirely to large for his size. Seriously, can you imagine if a man had a penis as long as his legs? Okay, my dogs legs are pretty short for his size - peke. But still, it's not proportional. I think that I'm thinking about it too much because of Murphy's post about spotted dicks.

I'm noticing strange things.

I can't wait until it warms up. It's supposed to get up to 60 and I want to go lay in the sun and watch my radishes to see if they sprout.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Tracy, you are just flat out happy, aren't you? I could use other words, but people might misinterpret them. (like stoned, high, buzzy, chirpy, lalalalala-land)
Enjoy it. I miss it. It really does become like taking aspirin. but the lalalalala still exists, too. yay, bac!

watching radishes grow. and lol

[Lo0p]

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I haven't read through your thread yet but I remember posts of yours from way back about bac being poison and am seeing bits and pieces here and there from you now that are just giving me a hunch.

Please tell me what brand or brands of baclofen you're taking and have taken.

I don't want to start a witch hunt because I could be wrong...I just have a lil' hunch.

:thanks:

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Read through, my friend. Tracy's got her eyes on the goal and is participating.
sorry to jump in Trace. I think Lo0p may be alluding to the brand because of particular SEs or something. But I wanted to head off any revisit to past kerfuffle, having had my fair share of kerfuffle to, in my case, lament.
:ls

[Lo0p]

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No kerfluffle here. I meant bad baclofen witch hunts (which I kinda hate on one hand but kinda think may be real on the other)

Haven't had time enough to keep up around here, but from the small amounts that I've read I can tell that Tracy and I will be getting along just fine now :l

[TracyA]

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I'm not in the mood for kerfuffling, Ne. Thanks for watching out for me though! I read L0op's question the same way - about SE's.

L0op, I was previously on Upshire-Smith which I purchased from a Kroger pharmacy. Now I am on Zenith, which I purchased at a Walgreen pharmacy. Dr. L said that the supply by Walgreens is reliably high quality. But Ne also purchases from Walgreens and is on a brand called Teva. The really miserable SE's seemed to evaporate as soon as I was 100% on the Zenith. I've also noticed that emotionally I'm on a much more even keel. I don't know if it was the Upshire-Smith stuff or life stuff, but I was dreadfully unhappy a good part of the time and had a pretty terrific meltdown towards the end of my first bac experiment. And by "pretty terrific" I mean that I was in my NP's office saying things like, "I don't know that I would take myself out, but if you told me right now that I had incurable cancer, I think I'd be okay with that." Part of the unhappiness might have been due to thinking that I wasn't going to make it on the baclofen, so my last hope was gone. I don't know.

If you suss anything useful out from all that, please let us know.

[Lo0p]

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Tracy, if you haven't already, read this real quick:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...fen-46174.html

I never actually used the word but 'poison' would have been fitting for a couple of them.

It very well could have been other things besides the brand, I accept that but to this day I don't think so.

And if nothing rings a bell...ignore me please

[Lo0p]

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TracyA;1074427 wrote: Upshire-Smith

Boom! :yuk::shocked::no:

That shit is poison.

[Lo0p]

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On the one hand this is all the proof I need and I think people should be warned. On the other,almost everybody at one point or another is going to call a specific brand of baclofen bad because of the SE's when it's just normal.

If we started a thread to that effect, like the one I did...it'd soon devolve into an unintelligible mess.

There is a third possibility. That Tracy and I share this reaction to that specific brand (filler, active ingredient, isomer or whatever) and that it's okay for other people, but I doubt it.

Full disclosure: I wanted to tell you this months ago but thought you'd just tell me to shove it...and you probably would've! :H I also wasn't 100% sure...now I'm pretty convinced.

[TracyA]

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L0op. Thanks! I read the thread. If this is the difference between normal SE's and "poison" SE's, there really is a world of difference. It's the difference between at worst feeling on the Zenith feeling uncomfortable and at worst on Upshire-Smith of feeling dreadfully ill and hopeless.

I'm thinking of over people posting on various threads who are having a really terrible time, feeling terribly ill and unhappy, and I wonder. If I'm understanding you correctly - baclofen is baclofen and has a specific molecular structure, so it's whatever filler they are using that makes a difference? I think even if it was just you and I who had that reaction - that's got to be a pretty big percentile of the few of us of us who bought a US brand. I don't know how to approach it either, but I think your thoughts on this are very valid and for many people would make the difference between the bac-treatment working and it ending badly. I'm also thinking of other people who once posted here, and it ended badly . . . and wondering.

Sorry, but I probably would not have listened to you back then. I was very suspicious of a lot of things. But I'm really, really glad that we're okay now!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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I feel luv in the springtime air. yay!

Walgreens actually gave me zenith at one point and I had a major kerfuffle about it.
Truth is, though, that my SEs were pretty damned awful regardless of the fact that I stuck to the exact same brand in the exact same dose for every single pill.

There was that recall you were talking about, Tracy, to keep in mind. Maybe that lab has been messing up the amounts for longer than just a couple of months? Not an unlikely scenario and would explain Lo0p's relatively recent reaction too.

[TracyA]

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Yes, thanks Ne, forgot about that. Upshire-Smith recalled batches of the stuff made in October out of concern that it had been mis-labeled as the wrong dosage, 20 mg pills sold as 10 mg, if I am remembering correctly.

[Lo0p]

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TracyA;1074448 wrote: If I'm understanding you correctly - baclofen is baclofen and has a specific molecular structure, so it's whatever filler they are using that makes a difference?

Not exactly. I *think* the baclofen should be the same and would place blame first on the fillers and preservatives in the pill. The baclofen itself could also be a factor.

Plus, does anyone remember that thread about baclofen being racemic? That there are actually two different types? It was very detailed.

I didn't actually read through it all, but it kinda sound like an isomer to me, where one compound is the molecular mirror image of another...or something.

I'm tired as hell this morning, not much sleep yet. I'll look into it, or (hopefully cuz I'm burnt) someone else will soon.

[Bruunhilde]

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Although I'm no longer on bac, I can tell you that people on thyroid meds have similar issues with Armour vs other natural porcine brands, due to the cellulose used as a binder or filler.

How's the pup, Tracy, still fluffing?

[TracyA]

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I am not sure, but I think the mirror image of baclofen is Arbaclofen. That is what they are using in studies with autistic children and what they used in a recent study on GERD. I think I've used up all my research brain cells for today and am in more of a watching-radishes-grow state now.

I did learn that the modafinil, which I ordered to try to counter the somnolence and lack of focus from baclofen, is being aggressively pursued as a first-line treatment in cocaine dependence. After a bit more research I found that it is also used to treat sleep apnea - and that, by far, has been my worst side effect since on the Zenith brand of baclofen.

So, off to do something less brain taxing now.