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[beatle]

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dixon;1069644 wrote: Hi ,
I am too scared to take Baclofen for my AL addiction thinking that why it is not widely prescribed by Doctors.Is it illegal to prescribe Baclofen for alcoholic ??
What does happen to doctor if someone dies or get strong seizures because of its prescription ??
If it is safe to consume, why does it taking time to give a formal and explicit approval for it as a treatment ??:confuse
Any ideas or clarifications are most welcome ,
Dixon

Dixon, if you read a little in the threads here, pretty much all of your questions (with all the multiple question marks) will be answered.

Please, take a little of your own time to read the information that is here (that we all have worked so hard and used so much of our time to contribute to by asking these same questions). Then ask the burning questions that are left.

The blunt version is: Do a little homework, and show a little respect.

[beatle]

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dixon;1069644 wrote: Hi ,
I am too scared to take Baclofen for my AL addiction thinking that why it is not widely prescribed by Doctors.Is it illegal to prescribe Baclofen for alcoholic ??
What does happen to doctor if someone dies or get strong seizures because of its prescription ??
If it is safe to consume, why does it taking time to give a formal and explicit approval for it as a treatment ??:confuse
Any ideas or clarifications are most welcome ,
Dixon

Dixon, if you read a little in the threads here, pretty much all of your questions (with all the multiple question marks) will be answered.

Please, take a little of your own time to read the information that is here (that we all have worked so hard and used so much of our time to contribute to by asking these same questions). Then ask the burning questions that are left. It's only fair

[beatle]

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bleep;1069691 wrote: I'll probably get shot for this, but I don't actually know if women have a harder time than men. Our sample size is very small, and currently has a number of women who are battling / battled to hit the switch, which I think could be swinging perception that way.

There are also a few women on this forum who are no longer active, who were indifferent after the very first dose of baclofen.
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I'm non violent. Don't think I've ever held a gun.

Women may have a harder time based on physiology. We don't know. Not going to say more. We all deserve support and respect.

[Seethepony]

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In any case, a day spent dithering is another day with your soul stuck in the toilet. I dithered for a whole year - yes, I was afraid it simply wouldn't work. Well, if you don't try it, it definitely won't work, put it that way.

"We have nothing to fear except fear itself." (Or, in my case, beer itself.)

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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:welcome: Gettin serious! And :goodjob:

Yep, I experienced pretty overwhelming fear about the whole process. ALL of it. My little mind made up VERY elaborate stories for each step of the journey. From ordering it online, to calling Dr. L, to taking it. And then taking more of it. And the SEs? omg, don't get me started. I didn't read one I didn't incorporate into the journey somehow!

But from this side? From this side it's pretty darn peachy.

As to the man/woman conundrum? I proposed that recently, as I'm sure others have in days gone by. Who knows? It's bound to be different since AL affects men and women differently. And just yesterday I heard the results of a study reporting differences in amygdala development in boys and girls. Which has implications for bac, but I haven't even googled the study yet. I could continue to digress... sorry!

Point is, though, that the results are the very same. Indifference to alcohol. YAY!

I'm glad you're spending some time reading, and hope you'll continue to post.
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STP "Nothing to fear but beer itself." You are in fact, brilliant.

[ignominious]

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bleep;1069691 wrote: I'll probably get shot for this, but I don't actually know if women have a harder time than men. Our sample size is very small, and currently has a number of women who are battling / battled to hit the switch, which I think could be swinging perception that way.

Come on Bleep its a well known fact that men don't feel anything otherwise we would be crying more often.

But seriously, the baclofen hopefully will help you with some of those fears, if not the sage advice and understanding you'll find here will help.

[TracyA]

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I'm not sure I buy into the gender theory either. It could be that many more men aren't as likely to post about the physical and emotional discomfort. Or perhaps are more likely to quietly walk away rather than hang on, kicking and crying, and generally risking looking "wussy."

But GS, please keep asking questions. The on-going discussions are what keep this forum vibrant, and new people are it's life's blood.

[Murphyx]

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TracyA;1069957 wrote: I'm not sure I buy into the gender theory either. It could be that many more men aren't as likely to post about the physical and emotional discomfort.

I've been wanting to make exactly this point for ages, but was too afraid of the potential verbal kicking it might elicit.:H

[Guest]

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Yes I think they are more likely to laugh it off.

[bleep]

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Murphyx;1069963 wrote: I've been wanting to make exactly this point for ages, but was too afraid of the potential verbal kicking it might elicit.:H

That's because you're a guy Murph.

If you look at Ne's thread, one of the first posts states how there are more men than women around at the time. The reverse is true now - we are simply victims of cognitive bias, based on a small sample. In a short while, there will be more men than women around here, and the reverse will seem to be true.

[Lowcountryman]

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Hi GS,

Being scared won't get you sober. Taking the pills will. It's what you want.

Of course it's bs that men have less SE's. It's just that men are raised not to complain and whine.
Indeed UK, they laugh it away.

Just try it. It's safe.
Low

[Bill Gorton]

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TracyA;1069675 wrote: It's really unlikely that anyone would die of baclofen. The only the case that I've heard of was in an MS patient who had an implant that delivered baclofen directly to the spinal cord. The pump failed and the patient, who was already very compromised physically, died in withdrawal. Withdrawal is probably the biggest risk we face, but I haven't heard of anyone who takes bac orally dying of withdrawal.

Actually, if you read this thread, you'll see that c0ffee/Paul says he did die while withdrawing from baclofen and alcohol in a hospital. Twice.

[redhead77]

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Bill,

I am going to write some things and I am most likely going to be perceived as arrogant, or even worse. Being intubated is not dying. Unfortunately, Paul had to be placed on life support in a sense. He also admits to taking extremely high doses of bac. Nobody has ever died that I know of from taking oral bac. Even in extremely high doses. Even when they tried to kill themselves. The only deaths that have ever occured have been with the bac pumps and the patients die from withdrawal (only 2-3 ever, that I know of).

Does that demean Paul's awful experience? No, I would never demean that. What he went through is hell. The whole death thing, twice? That depends on how you look at death. We never in medicine consider giving someone an advanced airway, death. It just is what needs to happen to protect the patient at the time. I may be missing some details here and maybe his heart did need to be shocked. I don't think I read that he ever suffered cardiac arrest.

Dying is not being placed on a ventilator. It does mean one is critically ill. We have to put people on ventilators for all sorts of withdrawal, one being alcoholism. I see that somewhat frequently. My point is, let's just keep it all in perspective.

[beatle]

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Bill Gorton;1070318 wrote: Actually, if you read this thread, you'll see that c0ffee/Paul says he did die while withdrawing from baclofen and alcohol in a hospital. Twice.

I wonder if Paul had not been suddenly stopped from an extremely high dose of baclofen and cut down to nothing, what would have happened? Was this an emergency begetting another emergency?

Can we say the same for alcohol? In other words, would it not make sense to ease withdrawal from any addictive substance with slow titration (or any titration at all) down?

[bleep]

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Agreed - there is a huge difference between baclofen being dangerous, and baclofen withdrawal, which we all know is dangerous once you have been taking it for any length of time.