Side effects of AA

[AllyB]

Side effects of AA

Otter;1077718 wrote: I agree. I suppose what is bugging me is that with all the energy to post here why is this not translating into some real action somehow.

It is, each person posting here about taking bac represents someone learning about it. The End of my Addiction was only published in English a few years ago. It seems to me that real action is certainly happening. I mean someone seems to believe in it so much they anonymously donated $750m in order that proper testing can be conducted.

Though, and YMMV, apart from medical withdrawal I don't think baclofen, or any medication, should be the first port of call in treating an addiction. Extended longterm studies show that most addicts eventually overcome their addiction, even without any formal help. Statistically the number one form of addiction treatment is whatever works.

People drink/use for different reasons and their addictions have all sorts of different emotional, physical and life effects. Therefore different treatments will work for different people. Imo addiction treatment should consist of first off telling people that most people get better so they should not lose hope. Treating the immediate medical necessities, acute withdrawal, checking liver function, etc. Then discussing the options and trying those that are agreed to be the best match, if that doesn't work then try another.

Suggesting any way is the way is the way is highly destructive because if it doesn't work it can destroy hope.

[Otter]

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TracyA;1077752 wrote: It's really tough. I think trying to approach one's own GP, with Florie's idea of a contract, would at least educate them that there are other ways of skinning this cat. I need to find some template of a contract to use, to try on my newbie doc.

Where is Florie? She said she would get a contract from the French site.

[AllyB]

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coalfire;1077739 wrote: I dont believe that anything will change until a large scale clinical trial of Baclofen is published that shows it to be effective. Am I right in thinking that that wont happen for a few years.

I think a pretty large one is starting now thanks to the anonymous donor.

[TracyA]

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Ukblonde;1077776 wrote:
Endless business opportunities exist.

Unfortunately, at least on the high-dose bac, the liability is pretty endless too.

[AllyB]

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TracyA;1077745 wrote: It seems to me that it would be invasive though, like walking into Mass and talking about evolution.

Who's mass? The majority of Christian religions now officially accept that evolutionary theory is correct, including the Roman Catholics.

[TracyA]

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Otter;1077781 wrote: Where is Florie? She said she would get a contract from the French site.

She was feeling quite ill and taking a break from the French forums. I haven't seen her back.

[TracyA]

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AllyB;1077793 wrote: Who's mass? The majority of Christian religions now officially accept that evolutionary theory is correct, including the Roman Catholics.

And, I still doubt anyone would be welcome to interrupt mass to discuss evolution. What, did offend you now?

I'm quite gifted at doing that.

[AllyB]

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Tbh, Otter I think you'd be better off trying to find the right way to approach this with the NHS. Alcoholism and other addictions are a huge drain on the medical service, directly and indirectly. They have nothing to lose and vast resources to reallocate if they find baclofen even half as successful as people on this board have. There is no conflict of interest there like there is with AAWS.

It'll still be an uphill slog but at least you won't be fighting an avalanche at the same time.

[betty boop]

Side effects of AA

I've checked into MWO a few times today, and everytime this thread has been at the top of the page ..............

I really have no opinions as to the squabbles, but can you all sit back and think what it looks likes to a desperate newbie looking for help .........

[coalfire]

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Im off for a bath now. I will retire now from this thread. Otter thanks for starting this thread. Im sure you never imagined the response you would get.! Well its been 24 hours now of pulling each others pigtails. Hopefully no one got hurt and we all came away with something to think about. Its a thread non of us will forget in a hurry thats for sure but hopefully it was all done in the spirit of MWO. Good night all you AAers/Non AAers and fence sitters. Night night sleep tight.Hope the bed bugs dont bite.

[AllyB]

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TracyA;1077803 wrote: And, I still doubt anyone would be welcome to interrupt mass to discuss evolution. What, did offend you now?

Not at all, I'm an atheist. It's just that a lot of loud Christians from minority religions give the impression that believing in Jesus and believing in evolution are mutually exclusive when for most it isn't.

Though yeah, interrupting in mass about anything is generally a no-no.

[bleep]

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Otter;1077781 wrote: Where is Florie? She said she would get a contract from the French site.

I will post there ans see if she's ok...

[hippie37]

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[PbarE]

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Guitarista;1077690 wrote: I think also, that it would be great to harness the energy of this thread, and for passionate folk's to take it upon ourselves, into getting out there, in our respective communities, and questioning our medical professional's, and educating them with the treatment alternatives, such as baclofen, holistic treatment's, and broaden their horizon's to the possibilities, and treatment option's that are less well known. I work as an outreach worker in my local community, and a couple of the folk i work with are problem drinker's. This brings me into contact with G.P's, where i can talk about/discuss treatment approaches/option's with them. I can suggest researching various treatment option's at least.
I encourage you all to get out there, roll your sleeves up, and talk, talk, talk, about the various treatment possibilities and options in your local community. Not just here. Get treatment options debated. Visit other internet forum's, and/or set up community meeting's, discussion's, if you are confident in doing so. (yep, i know, start a different thread you eeedgit. Will do.)

Harness the energy here, and get the alcohol treatment debate out there.

Will those who are able, consider such action?

Deal me in.

[TracyA]

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A better idea, I think, is to approach recovery groups that are already open to other ideas. We only have one SMART meeting a week here, but I will go that one and talk about bac (again, it's the only thing I know about, so I can't be talking about other meds or the nutritional approach, etc.).

SOS is a lot of places but not near me. If folks live in area where there is an SOS meeting:

drug - alcohol - addiction - SOS-Save Our Selves - Non 12 Step

that would be a good place to talk about the alternative stuff too!