Side effects of AA

[TracyA]

Side effects of AA

coalfire;1076895 wrote: Ok I think I am beginning to understand American anger. We forget the cultural differences sometimes. I wonder what it is like with our down under friends?

I bet no matter where you are, your group still donates to AA World Services in New York.

[TracyA]

Side effects of AA

I'm going to watch some Buffy with hub, eat dinner and go to bed. Hope everyone has a good night.

[Cinders]

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[QUOTE=TracyA;1076888]Given the full disclosure and heartbreak inherent the post that preceded the comment above, I have to ask: What the hell was that pile of crap that Cindi wrote????

If every person who pounced on me does not pounce on Cindi - right now - . . . why not just go away already? The above post is proof of nothing good happening here from the folks hell bent on defending AA. What just happened is really dismal, destructive, intended to hurt - so very typical of AA. Why not just go away instead?[/QUOTE]

Yeppers. Just why not go away? Don't flay those who help. Go forward and help those who don't.

That is all I am saying.

I will be flayed for this.

I do not want to hurt those who are helped by AA.

I do want to give those who cannot be helped by AA some support and hope.

I am tired of the "all or nothing" mentality,.

I am tired of it. Very, very tired.

I am "bizarre" btw. Always have been.

I just want to say that I am tired of the AA bashing and the meds bashing and the WHAT EVER IT TAKES to get sober, bashing

You can bash on me, though, because I simply do not care.

Love,
Cindi

[redhead77]

Side effects of AA

The truth is I stopped reading everything pages ago. Alas, I'm sorry if another has said this. I was told (by someone on here), if you want anyone to follow you, start walking the walk. I really appreciated that message. Why oh why are we bacers continually asking others to follow when were not giving the right message? We know AA is bullshit. At least I do. Yet, I will not be judgemental of another's course. At least not overtly so. Just do what's right, stop screaming judgement, and they will follow us.

[Cinders]

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You are hoping I am drunk? Thanks. Go to bed and have a good night's sleep.

I, am, however, not drunk.

I am reading a good book and not drunk.

Cindi

[coalfire]

Side effects of AA

Originally Posted by Cinders
Oh yippee Skippee!!

I can find YOUR way out.

Thanks so much. I am so glad you are here.


Cinders coffee was very ill and almost died in hospital. i actually thought you were drunk too because that is so unlike you. Im glad you are safe and well with your book. Goodnight.

[redhead77]

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I guess what I wrote doesn't mean jack shit. No one will consider it or think of it when they dis another. Hence, the very reason I didn't express myself in the first place.

[PbarE]

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TracyA;1076897 wrote: I am actually hoping that she is drunk. I'd really hate to think that's who she truly is because I really liked her before.

Hey, Cindi, you might not remember, but you and I have a history. Around October of 2007, you wished me good luck going to treatment center. In 2010, I did the same for you.

Tracy, do you really wish one of your fellow sufferers is DRUNK???

I suggest you join AA and put Cindi on your 4th step. But PLEASE never say this again.

[PbarE]

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redhead77;1076913 wrote: I guess what I wrote doesn't mean jack shit. No one will consider it or think of it when they dis another. Hence, the very reason I didn't express myself in the first place.

Are you talking about your post about walking the walk, a few pages over? I thought it was great. ...and very profound.

[redhead77]

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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. And the fact that this thread is breading hate and whatever. Tracy, if you are drunk, you are. I for one, am in your corner. I didn't read anything you said since page 9, though. I couldn't take anymore of this bullshit argument. It's giving me a migraine. Either way, I completely support you. The rest is total bullshit!! A good debate is one thing, but this is just ridiculous!

[PbarE]

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Otter;1076634 wrote: I have every respect for Bill Wilson and what he set out to achieve. AA has helped and does help a lot of people but it is outdated in light of advances in neurosciences.

Bill Wilson recognized that more had to be done on the medical front.

This as overtones of a religious dispute. The Twelve Steps is the Old Testament. Bill Wilson saw a future in which AA and medical science came together. Olivier Ameisen has fulfilled that prophesy.

Maybe AA needs to refocus and accept these medical advances so that AA meetings can be as uplifting as this forum. Maybe there needs to be a new AA for people to discuss their experiences with Baclofen.

We are all trying to find the good in AA so maybe AA needs to embrace Baclofen. How, I don't know.

You are absolutely right, Otter. Here is quote from the Big Book of AA:

"Physicians who are familiar with alcoholism agree there is no such thing a making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic. Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn't done so yet. " (page 31, Big Book)

[redhead77]

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Pbar,

I am not in any way trying to ignore Otters message. I really believe it to be true. I also respect you a great deal Otter. I do think it's hard to get anyone to agree or join your cause when the message gets screwed up or when the thread turns into a way to express a vendetta. I kind of apologize for my above post. I guess I'm not "walking the walk" either, when I'm not reading all of it because I'm annoyed. Sorry, to go spouting off.

[Cinders]

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All I wanted to say is that those who find their way out through AA are not diminished,

I don't speak well. I try though.

There are many ways out. Let's find ours and not push ours on the rest.

Huckleberry Finn is a great book, btw, but I would never shove it down anyone's throat, Nor would I say, "You must read this great book or you are not special."

That is all I was trying to say.

I get tired of the "I am right and you are not," mentality.

I have wonderful and beautiful friends in AA.,

They do not hate me because I don't "get it." They love me and I love them.

Cindi

[coalfire]

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"wishing them to be drunk"-sheri

I think that this is getting silly now.

Coffee was brave enough to post about his recent horrible experiences. He was generous enough to share them with other Mwo members to maybe prevent them from going through the same thing


"was put in a medically induced coma for nine days where I was brought back from flatlining 3 times. So I really don't know what works and what doesn't work anymore but I'm all tapped out from it... one thing I do know for sure is that alcohol has completely ruined my life. I went from living the life of a Wall Street baller to food stamps and homeless shelters and its devastating and sad. maybe that's why this thread caught my attention."

Cinders laughed at him

Originally Posted by Cinders
"Oh yippee Skippee!!

I can find YOUR way out.

Thanks so much. I am so glad you are here."

She used her obviously superior education to make fun of his spelling

"Its grateful not greatful"

"We lose weight not loose weight"


I personally would have preferred to think that Cinders was drunk than to accept the alternative ie that that is the type of person she is. I am 100% convinced that Tracy was saying the same thing. Now Cinders has come on this morning and acknowledged that she didnt speak well. She said that there are many ways out and thats all she was trying to say. Thats fine by me although I cant speak for coffee-thats between him and Cinders. This idea that Tracy is wishing people to be drunk is grossly unfair. Tracy comes on here day after day to try and help her fellow alcoholics. I follow her thread and I can assure you that she would never gloat in anyones slip up.

Sheri you say you dont like this thread but there is an element of the "conversation police" about your post. I like it. I have been playing with the idea of going to AA recently to deal with my isolation. What right have you to deny me a thread that helps me to tease out the pros and cons of that decision? I recently made the decision to order some lithium orotate,antabuse, and low dose Baclofen. i needed to hear the pros and cons of those methods too.

Sheri you have over 2000 posts made and you are sober. You have obviously decided what your stance is on AA and many other issues. Others are not so fortunate. Many are new to this whole alcoholic/recovery game. I think it is very selfish to try and campaign to have threads banned which might allow others the chance to form some opinions too.I am on the fence on so many issues. I want to hear this type of debate. The way I look at it is that if I listen I might learn something and I have learned loads from this thread from both Tracy and those who oppose her.

I dont understand why people are so threatened by this thread when we are so cool and relaxed about discussing...well just about everything under the sun. Its quite shocking. I hardly recognise MWO today.If someone wants to talk about the pros and cons of standing on your head then Im happy to take a look. Otter did not highjack anyones thread. He started his own in a non AA section of the board. What right has anyone to silence him by calling on Moderators to remove his thread? I would leave MWO in a new york minute if they tried to stop debate like this. Thankfully I imagine RJ Jewell has more sense. She wrote a book based on the fact that AA steps didnt float her boat. Has everyone forgotten where we are? This is MWO not in the rooms.

[Cinders]

Side effects of AA

I personally would have preferred to think that Cinders was drunk than to accept the alternative ie that that is the type of person she is.

Thanks.

Glad you are so supperior to me you know I am just a horrible person. Thanks for letting us know how special and kind YOU are.

Life is what it is.

Side effects of AA? Some people find their way out and get sober. What a wonderful side effect!!

Many don't and I don't blame them either.

We are on this bus together.

Cindi