Side effects of AA

[coalfire]

Side effects of AA

"Back last October I was in pieces after a summer having my head wrecked by AA. "-longshot.

We will put humpty dumpty back together again!

[TracyA]

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Zenstyle;1077435 wrote:
I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO BASH ANYTHING THAT MAY BE HELPING ANOTHER MEMBER BECOME OR REMAIN SOBER.

And for those who get hurt using that very same method (which completely dominates the treatment industry), like Longshot, - too bad, so sad, you're screwed.

That doesn't work for me.

I know for a fact you would bash something that was helping another member stay sober. As I recall, you objected pretty mightily to the use of ritalin. I agreed with that, because it is potentially very destructive. As is AA. It is for those people for whom AA did not work that this thread exists. The people for whom it does work have many, many, many threads to choose from.

[Cinders]

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Hi, Zenny!!

Too bad AA/MWO/SMART/LENAIR/single psyches can't help us all.

I do not want to bash any of them, though, if they help some. I don't begrudge those who are helped by them even if they don't work for me.

Cindi

Oh, and a friend asked me to delete the "spelling" post because it is so out of character for me. I won't. I will leave it there to remind myself that ego is ego. I am sorry and do apologize for it, though. I can't even begin to defend it. It was truly b*tchy. Truly. I am sorry.

[Zephra]

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Cinders, I have been watching this thread and I am happy you have finally apologized. Your comments about spelling etc were just wrong. I am glad that you have a good friend who pointed this out to you. Take Care.

[TracyA]

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Zenstyle;1077470 wrote:
p.s. Ritalin?! LOL... I can't say as I have had any dealings in that department
My mistake. I thought this was you.

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1002967

... Nice to see your response though Tracy... every bit as hateful and argumentative as I expected it to be. Dang it, I hate to be right yet once more... ) )

That's a really nasty accusation, Zenstyle. Please show me what about my post to you was hateful. Please, please - the evidence should be right in front of you. Please present it. There was nothing hateful about it.

But there is this: You addressed nothing of what I wrote to you in the post (save the one thing you were wrong about) and are not going to address the issues raised in this thread. The only reason you posted was to object to the existence of this thread and harass me.

Think about it.

[Cinders]

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I know for a fact you would bash something that was helping another member stay sober. As I recall, you objected pretty mightily to the use of ritalin. I agreed with that, because it is potentially very destructive. As is AA. It is for those people for whom AA did not work that this thread exists. The people for whom it does work have many, many, many threads to choose from.

Okey dokey!! I belong on another thread. Not this one. Got it. Don't share what I think if it is not "of the body."

Thanks, Tracy, for setting me straight!!

(Kind of an AA mindset if you ask me.)

Cindi

[TracyA]

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Zephra;1077475 wrote: Cinders, I have been watching this thread and I am happy you have finally apologized.

And Cindi, I'd be really happy if you apologized to c0ffee.

[coalfire]

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"psychiatrists are just too valuable to divert and spend in AE. Hanging around on the off chance a drinker comes in who exhibits the signs of alcoholism. "longshot


Not A+E-. I mean a special clinic. You know the rape crisis center? Well something like that for alcoholics. I hate sitting in my docs waiting room wishing to God that I was going in to talk about a sore throat etc and knowing that I am going in to talk about my drinking. I stopped doing it because it traumatised me so much. If you had a special clinic It would be understood why you were there. You wouldnt be squeezed in along with the ear infections and the babies with a temperature feeling as guilty as hell.

"They react to problems and issues, they don't pro-actively hunt down issues to fight."

Yes they do! disease prevention and control is the central tenet that the world health organisation is built on. All docs and nurses are trained in that way of thinking from day 1.


Look at the money they spend on drinkaware.ie and fussing over tv advertising etc. Im not saying that these things have no place but people with drink problems cost the state a fortune in medical care/criminal justice/family breakdown/welfare etc. A few extra psychiatrists would only be a drop in the ocean

"That isn't a doctor thats frankly a character from some feel good Robin Williams "Dead Poets Society" style Doctor.

"You're not going to base a health service around a army of idealised dynamic reformed drinking doctors. It can't exist. "-Longshot

No but one or two wouldnt hurt. France only has one-some guy called olivier amisien. He didnt do a bad job at changing things. I would like to see a Paddy O'amiesen:H Jim mcdaid cant be the only one.

uk blonde-If someone had come up to you 10 years ago, told you you were showing early signs of alcoholism, would you have said "Ah yes, of course give me whatever treatment you have to prevent it going further".


I had to look long and hard at that one. You do have a point there uk. I think a certain amount of relapse is inevitable and a certain amount of "Im ok-I just need to moderate" thinking is inevitable. If I had the right help early on I am convinced that my drinking career would have halved in length. Quartered in length?...Maybe. Any more than that. Seriously doubt it. That alone is something. Some people never stop.

[Cinders]

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Zephra;1077475 wrote: Cinders, I have been watching this thread and I am happy you have finally apologized. Your comments about spelling etc were just wrong. I am glad that you have a good friend who pointed this out to you. Take Care.

Thanks, Zephra. I was so out of line. I really was. It is so uncharacteristic of me.

That is why I want to leave it "out there." A reminder of my flaws, of which I have many.

Again, thanks!!
Cindi

[TracyA]

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Cinders;1077483 wrote: Okey dokey!! I belong on another thread. Not this one. Got it. Don't share what I think if it is not "of the body."

Thanks, Tracy, for setting me straight!!

(Kind of an AA mindset if you ask me.)

I was not even addressing you!! You are another one that steadfastly refuses to engage in the subject matter of this thread. The only reason you are posting here is to disrupt this thread. Have you nothing better to do?

[coalfire]

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Cinders
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I am married to a non-drinker. He likens my drinking to something "lighting" up inside of me when I take that first drink. I "come alive."

I think it is organic.

I think it is also a choice. One we have to make.

Too bad I can't just take that first drink. It is painful to try to do that, more painful than not taking the first drink. I think that is the difference between those who abuse alcohol and those who are alcoholic. -cinders

I 100% agree.

[Cinders]

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TracyA;1077484 wrote: And Cindi, I'd be really happy if you apologized to c0ffee.

Coffee,

I do apologize. I am quite serious about this.

My post was horrid and once again showed I am not perfect. I struggle daily with my flaws and my emotions which lead me into areas I should not venture.

Please know I did not mean to be demeaning. I felt demeaned by this thread and it got my hackles up. No excuse. Absolutely none.

Cindi

[TracyA]

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Cinders;1077490 wrote:
Please know I did not mean to be demeaning. I felt demeaned by this thread and it got my hackles up.

Thank you. I like liking you much better. If I demeaned you, I am truly sorry. This is a subject near and dear to my heart. I'm not very good about approaching it on an even keel.

[KundaliniGirl]

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If someone had come up to you 10 years ago, told you you were showing early signs of alcoholism, would you have said "Ah yes, of course give me whatever treatment you have to prevent it going further.

You know, I really think that if someone had taught me the negative health aspects of drinking, especially how it is linked to cancer, it could have made a difference for me. I'm very health conscious and never stopped to think about alcohol on a deep level as it pertains to a healthy body (until now). Teaching me this in high school or college would have been much more beneficial than a lot of what I was taught! I don't know, maybe they're just now understanding the link to cancer.

[JohnR]

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And...scene!