Everyone in the UK - Baclofen

[Guest]

Everyone in the UK - Baclofen

Otter

It is a PhD that gave you the title of "Dr", not a Bachelors degree in this country(otherwise I would have Dr in front of mine too). The lifestyle counselling he is providing is available elsewhere, at much less cost from qualified professionals in their field.

I'm not slating him but I did get the impression from his website that he was a medical doctor. The problem here is that anyone can set up a business assisting addicts, with no prior qualification.

[Otter]

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Yes, a doctor of philosophy is a doctor and so is my doctor who has a batchelors degree in medicine.

Remember Dr. Gilian McKeith? She was giving nutritional advice and she was just told not to call herself a doctor because she has no medical qualification at all.

And then there is Doctor Fox. So, yes, UK, you can call yourself Doctor Ukblonde in England and it is not a criminal offence and there is nothing anyone can do about it because it is not a protected title.

[Otter]

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Then don't get started. You are not his keeper. If people in his area, like practicing doctors want to do him over then let them. He is not hurting you and you are not the GMC so forget about it. He doesn't come here so why go after him. Clinics in the UK charge thousands and they are not run by doctors. It is a big non issue.

I'll go further. You may not like him but he was the only person on this planet who spoke to my wife when she hit rock bottom and whatever he said it helped and she has not looked back. F.. all the doctors and so called professionals who still had their tickets to practice and went home for dinner. NONE OF THEM GAVE A SHIT.

So, if you want to slag him off you can go f..k yourself.

[redhead77]

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Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying this person is calling himself a surgeon with a Bachelor's degree? Otter seriously????

[Otter]

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I have removed the post. Perhaps you could remove yours.

Zen, I have nothing against you at all. There is more to this than you know. Just leave him alone.

This thread needs to die now.

[Guest]

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redhead77;1087473 wrote: Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying this person is calling himself a surgeon with a Bachelor's degree? Otter seriously????

Redhead

There are two ways in which people tend call themselves Drs in the UK.

(1) You get a Bachelors degree in Medicine

or

(2) You get a PhD

I know that at least one utility billing company will not put the prefix 'Dr' on their bills/letters unless the customer has a medical degree.

[Otter]

Everyone in the UK - Baclofen

Redhead,

Doctors in the UK, and dentists, have Bachelors degrees. They start medical school here at aged 17 or 18 after finishing school. No MCATs etc. When a doctor becomes a surgeon he then can call himself "Mister".

The problem is everyone here has got all worked up about Phill. He is legally entitled to call himself a doctor till the day he dies. He can give alcohol counselling and charge for it. He cannot prescribe because he would need a number the GMC gives him and he does not have that.

All any complaint about him is going to do is make the GMC write to him and he will tell them he is giving alcohol counselling.

This is not the United States or Ireland so you are all wasting your time and you are saying things which are libellous because you are assuming that doctor here means the same thing as in the US. There were "doctors" in this country before there were universities. It is just a word here, not a protected title.



And, no, the advice he gave was free.

[Otter]

Everyone in the UK - Baclofen

Zen,

We are talking about England.

Harley Street is full of "Doctors" who aren't doctors. This is not the USA. There are people sitting in lawyers offices here doing legal work and charging lawyers fees who are not lawyers.

If you have a baby in a hospital here you won't see a doctor in the delivery room except to adjust the epidural for a few minutes. We have midwives who do what doctors would do in the USA. It is just not the same.

If you have a medical qualification, or not, you can legally call yourself a doctor. And you don't have to have an MD or even call yourself a doctor to get onto the GMC register. It is just a list of people who have a qualification and want to be registered and submit to professional regulation. Professional bodies over here do not require you to be a member in order to call yourself either a doctor or a solicitor or an engineer.

[Otter]

Everyone in the UK - Baclofen

I'm in Glasgow actually but I moved up from England so excuse the "here in England" bit. lol

I am Canadian though.

[TracyA]

Everyone in the UK - Baclofen

In November Phil responded regarding the article that addressed him as ?mister,? and the article specifically included the words ?who is not a doctor?:

?That major national newspaper who said I wasn't a doctor misunderstood the UK tradition of calling surgeons 'Mister'. They not only printed a national apology, but they also gave me another major article.? It would seem that the appearance of being a *real* doctor is VERY important to Phill. No surprise there - it got at least two members to contact him in the last 24 hours. Everything he says is a lie, of course. The article was absolutely correct, and apparently the words ?not a doctor? mean the same thing in the UK as they mean in the US! Imagine that.

Phil?s own words on his websites and in his book regarding his medical career:

?Following several failed corneal transplants, I have hung up my surgeon's gloves and put away my lawyer's wig.?

More lies. He presents himself as a respected medical professional when he is, in fact, fully discredited and forbidden to practice medicine. He is a con man, plain and simple.

[Otter]

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The trouble with this sort of anger is that it eats away at your from within and eventually destroys you. It is like a cancer and when it starts you have to stop it before it consumes you.

[coalfire]

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Otter;1087438 wrote: There was not a major investigation into him nor were there complaints about his "facial injections"

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Quoted from GMC minutes
ii. you did not take any photographs of Mrs I?s face; Found Proved

3. a. On 21 April 2005 Mrs I attended at the Clinic for Isolagen treatment; Found Proved

b. During this treatment on 21st April 2005

i. you injected Mrs I?s face with approximately 40 injections, Found Proved

ii. you did not take any photographs of Mrs I?s face either before, or after the injections had been applied; Found Proved

4. a. On 26 May 2005 Mrs I attended at the Clinic for Isolagen treatment; Found Proved

b. During this treatment, undertaken on 26 May 2005

i. you injected Mrs I?s face with approximately 40 injections, Found Proved

ii. you did not take any comparative photographs of Mrs I?s face; Found Proved

5. The fact that you did not take photographs of Mrs I as outlined above was

a. contrary to the protocol laid down by Isolagen Europe Limited, Found Proved

b. not in the best interests of your patient; Found Proved

6. Mrs I was dissatisfied with the results of her treatment and attempted to contact you on numerous occasions between November 2005 and July 2006; Found Proved

7. You did not respond to Mrs I?s repeated attempts to contact you between November 2005 and July 2006; Found Proved

8. Between November 2005 and July 2006

a. you did not arrange for any form of follow up treatment for Mrs I following her second treatment session undertaken on 26 May 2005, Found Proved

b. you did not make yourself available and accessible to Mrs I for the purposes of her Isolagen Treatment; Found Proved


...I think he did a little bit more than leave his camera at home.

I take your point about phd etc but this is a medical thread. I think when we were talking about docs it was a given that we were talking about registered medical doctors.
I also take your point about the registered medical docs not being there for your wife.The main point of this thread is to let people know that this guy has been found unfit to practice by his own governing body..which he has. That is an indisputable fact. There is already a cloud over him concerning a previous MWO member and thats all I will say about that.He has also helped Otter's wife. After that people can do what they want.If I was going to pay someone that amount of money I would appreciate someone letting me know that.Thats all tracy,Zen etc have done. I sent a request in to check his registration status. We now know it. He may not prescribe Baclofen himself but thats not the impression you get when you click onto his thread. There is nothing wrong with sharing this information. You already have access to this information by virtue of your profession I presume(maybe incorrectly) but you are well informed somehow and then you were able to make up your own mind and you did. Now thanks to Tracy kindly sharing this information other people get to do the same.

[coalfire]

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TracyA;1087579 wrote: It would seem that the appearance of being a *real* doctor is VERY important to Phill. No surprise there - it got at least two members to contact him in the last 24 hours.
. He presents himself as a respected medical professional when he is, in fact, fully discredited and forbidden to practice medicine. He is a con man, plain and simple.

I agree. He knows damn well what he is doing when he uses the word doctor and I don't believe for one minute Otter that you don't see that. ...not for a single minute. Everything about that website is sneaky and dishonest and designed to reel people in. He has had 2 members contact him in 24 hours. That is exactly what he was aiming for. I would say he spent weeks picking over the wording of that website working out how to fool people and stay within the law.Like they say..its all in the small print and now we know the small print. Thanks again Tracy.

[Guest]

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I'm not completely daft, and have experience with rehabs etc. I was looking/am looking for a practising, medical Doctor in my geographical area to assist me with my Baclofen treatment.

I have re-read his 'About Me' page. He is indeed very clever, using his previous qualifications to portray the idea of a currently licensed, medical doctor. He obviously isn't. He does state he is a Fellow of the Royal College of surgeons, does any know if this is current?

[coalfire]

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Ukblonde;1087632 wrote:

I have re-read his 'About Me' page. He is indeed very clever, using his previous qualifications to portray the idea of a currently licensed, medical doctor.

Exactly! At the same time using his extensive knowledge of the law to slip in a little word here and there so technically he doesn't quite break the law. His clear aim is to let alcoholics think that he is a registered medical doctor while Keeping his own ass out of prison. It is so flipping obvious what he is up to!