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**Charlieboy** · March 30, 2011, 06:35 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

on another note...am ordering from United Pharmacies UK, a brand called Lioresal. Have never doubted its authenticity but all of a sudden finding myself asking all sorts of questions.......

**Rusty** · March 30, 2011, 06:44 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Charlieboy,

Your friend's reaction is not uncommon at all....disappointing, yes, and frustrating, OH YEAH!:blah: Even Dr. Levin told me that most doctors only know rehab and AA to treat alcoholism. My own doctor had never even heard of Campral. Regarding Lioresal, that's the brand I ordered initially from River Pharmacy. It's generic but now I am on Baclofen. I have noticed no difference in their effectivity, and I think you can relax now.

You have all kinds of questions so ask away.

**ignominious** · March 30, 2011, 06:46 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Maybe he's got a job with big pharma or been indoctrinated too much by AA. Maybe he's just a ranting contrary alcoholic.

I did a fair amount of research and could not find anything to be frightened of. The long term (rest of my life) high dose I cannot talk about but some patients have been on high dose for many years with no reported repercussions. As far as drugs go, its a very safe one.

I noticed an effect the first time I took Baclofen. It stopped me being an obnoxious, aggressive drunk. I decided it was worth trying on that basis. I was very cynical and it took me several days to realise that it had worked. I would say it stopped me drinking despite my beliefs and expectations.

**ignominious** · March 30, 2011, 06:47 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Maybe he's got a job with big pharma or been indoctrinated too much by AA. Maybe he's just a ranting contrary alcoholic.

I did a fair amount of research and could not find anything to be frightened of. The long term (rest of my life) high dose I cannot talk about but some patients have been on high dose for many years with no reported repercussions. As far as drugs go, its a very safe one.

I noticed an effect the first time I took Baclofen. It stopped me being an obnoxious, aggressive drunk. I decided it was worth trying on that basis. I was very cynical and it took me several days to realise that it had worked. I would say it stopped me drinking despite my beliefs and expectations. I think some others will agree with this last statement.

I took Lioresal - its good

**Charlieboy** · March 30, 2011, 06:56 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Yeah, i think its just hard for some people to accept it.....
I am gonna do some research on brands and gonna do my best to find a doctor to prescribe it so i can get my hands on the good stuff.....i am pretty sure the stuff i am ordering is fine but reckon its probably diluted and inconsistent in quality, it comes from Hong Kong, which I believe is the capital of fake stuff!
Cheers for the replies

**bleep** · March 30, 2011, 07:31 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Wouldn't panic Charlie. Nobody has died from taking baclofen, and there have been some pretty high doses around here. His reaction is quite strange though. If you read the little pamphlet that comes with your pills, where they are required to list any and all SE's, you'll see no mention of all the ones that were quoted at you, so where he's coming from is a bit of a mystery.

You'll have the last laugh.

Look at this way. Ask him for his proof, his case studies that he his quoting, or the articles he is referencing when he tells you this. I'll be very surprised if he comes up with anything. Similarly, we have no proof. Just a whole lot of case histories, that all seem to say the same thing.

**TracyA** · March 30, 2011, 07:34 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Charlieboy;1087140 wrote: Its unlicensed and seriously dangerous, only causes major health problems.
I've pondered this. I think often we are pretty cavalier on this forum of pronouncing bac (at the doses we take) as "safe." The stuff is not available OTC for good reasons.

He is claiming its a all a big con, a 'magic pill' that cures alcoholism with everyone jumping on board to get cured.
I saw a post similar to this on the Bluelight forum a while back - that it's all a big scam. I know how I reacted though, and the stuff works.

He is claiming all docs who prescribe it are conmen, the whole thing is a big ruse to make money off untraceable internet purchases.

I've thought about that too and don't reasonably see how someone could make money. There is no stock for baclofen. I suppose someone could invest in an on-line pharmacy, but sales of baclofen from an obscure forum like this are not likely to have a big impact on the worth of a global pharmacy. If someone believes they will make money that way, I think they are deluding themselves.

Now, the fact I am stiing here for the last 2 weeks with a chronic headache(and he has just told me that unless I stop taking this stuff, I am severe risk of stroke, aneurism, blod clots etc etc)

You likely are at a higher risk of stroke. You would be at a higher risk for stroke if you took St. John's wort too. Is it an "extreme" risk? I hadn't heard about blood clots or aneurysm. Did your friend offer any explanation as to how those things might happen?

**PbarE** · March 30, 2011, 07:41 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

The University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy league school and one of the top colleges in the States, has an Addiction Sciences program that uses baclofen to reduce cravings in both alcoholics and cocaine addicts.

These are hardly con men. You are going to be okay, Carlito.

**Charlieboy** · March 30, 2011, 07:49 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

pamphlets

My pills come with no pamphlets and looking at them now, do look fairly dodgy! Perhaps that is where I am going wrong....I am not doubting they are working but who knows if they are the correct dose/cut with anything blah blah
Anyway, I am trippin, just not with it at the mo...i have a headache that is so severe my head feels like its about to burst so i am getting the paranoia thats all
Am researching brands/doctors that prescribe etc...cos no point in taking bad shit

**TracyA** · March 30, 2011, 07:51 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

It occurs to me that alcohol abuse puts people at a higher risk for all the conditions you mentioned, and many more to boot.

**Brave Hearted** · March 30, 2011, 07:55 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Hi Charlie

I have taken baclofen for the past two years and after the initial s/e I have been fine.This is justmy opinion but there are some professional who will not entertain any al addiction as being anything other than physcological so they will not entertain the use of any drug . Baclofen is licensed to be used by other including children, who has ceribal palsy and other muscle conditions. Hardly think they wouldprescrible to children if the risks were so high. Baclofen is also a cheap drug so I cant see there being any big profits to be made out of its sale. For me the bottom line is 'it works' and to continue drinking for me at least and I know many on here is a much highe risk than taking baclofen. I shall be taking what you report your friend has said with a very large pinch of salt ! I will place my oney on the likes of University of Pennsylvania, America is a huge littergation sociry would they trail anthing that had susposed high risk ????? I think very much not.

Just read your post agian, Baclofen is not unlicensed it just not licenesed for al addiction, big differance.

Good luck and stick with it.

BH

**Ne/Neva Eva** · March 30, 2011, 07:56 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

Charlie, I'd be lying if I said that those thoughts hadn't crossed my mind. I am so thankful that I can put them to rest relatively quickly and very easily.

It works. Period. It just does.

There is NO evidence, NONE that it causes any of those things. Not one study, not one instance, where high-dose-bac resulted in ANY of those things. And I've LOOKED HARD and THOROUGHLY because of my fear.

Rusty and Charlie, ALL BACLOFEN IS GENERIC. The brand you are on is working for you, Charlie. Please reconsider changing ANYTHING you are doing. If you're in doubt, look back at your first post lo those short months ago on the Need Help ASAP forum. Look where you've come from and where you are now.

Hell, when I read my thread I can't believe it! It's truly unbelievable, which makes it hard to believe, especially for those (like me) indoctrinated in the only model available for treatment of addiction.
You don't have to have faith in anyone or anything except yourself and the bac. It is working for you in no uncertain terms. You are dealing with the SEs, have seen the docs, have found nothing wrong. (If you still find yourself having a hard time believing read the science on the Consolidated Thread. It's all there in black and white from people whose only agenda is to explore the possibilities. Required reading. Someone else can post the link.)

Keep on keeping on, brother. The goal is right there and it's yours for the having. It is WELL WORTH IT! (you won't believe!)

:l
Ne

**Charlieboy** · March 30, 2011, 07:58 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

yep....i have not abused it for 2 weeks but these symptons started then....plus i have been told i have a viral infection etc....no-one has worked out the headaches yet but am going to a headache specialist later! Look, I went on a bender 2 weeks ago and I doubled my dose up to 200. Not cool. I accepted i was in a bad way and i deserved it, waited for it to clear but 2 weeks without reprieve/the phone call today from my medical mate and today was the first time I questioned Bac...but mainly I am questioning the quality of my supply....and I am glad I am looking into that cos was about to place a large order.
Ok cheers

**Ne/Neva Eva** · March 30, 2011, 07:59 AM

Baclofen bollocks?! WTF!!!

TracyA;1087182 wrote: It occurs to me that alcohol abuse puts people at a higher risk for all the conditions you mentioned, and many more to boot.

hmmm. I've got no underlying health conditions, BUT baclofen does not increase the risk for any of the things you've mentioned. It just doesn't. Period.

Booze, as Tracy points out, increases ALL of THEM!
just sayin

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