Originally posted by Otter
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Ne/Neva Eva;1678133 wrote: I have posted repeatedly that I know that people are much more likely to find help getting a prescription for HDB from specialists in addiction medication. You take statements related to that fact and misrepresent them and suggest that I am inhibiting people's ability to get help. To what end?
Thank you.
You misrepresent what I wrote. It's right there in black and white. I've quoted it here for clarity. Let me be even more clear. I believe that physicians can and should participate in treating people with high dose baclofen. I know that general practitioners are very unlikely to take on that treatment, and that the best resource is a physician specializing in addiction treatment. Harassing or threatening a doctor is very unlikely to work. Mainly because it is explicitly clear that the doctor puts herself at great legal and professional risk by prescribing off-label at many times the federally mandated dose.
I didn't directly call you an asshole. I said one of us was an asshole. I thought one of the reasons you didn't post here is because there are several people who insist that you be truthful and accurate. You haven't ever been able to do that.
It is a lie that I have sent you PMs that called you names or heaped abuse on you. You do scare people. You scare me.
hmmm. I'm here, week in and week out, telling my story and supporting others. I'd call that genuine. And as to the people who send you emails about me...whatever. Gossip. I'm very clear about the people who find me distasteful and the reasons are similar. They post malarkey and then expect us to ignore it.
Ha! If that was the case, do you think we'd be having this discussion? Oh, the irony.
Wrong again.
Fat lot of good the degree has done you. It certainly doesn't make you right about this issue in the United States or in the UK. Please see these posts:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1677878
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1677895
Lies again. And I have the emails, voicemails and text messages to prove it. There were three major reasons that I could not in good faith participate in the website he created (that I helped with). Number 3 was your participation as a moderator. I won't speak any more about Lo0p or the website except to say that you are lying.
Unlike you, I never represent Ameisen's views. I quote from the book. Or from the other things he's written.
First of all that is a terrible thing to say. You know it's not true. You know what happened on that thread. It was heartbreaking.
Ameisen and I did not have any issues before he died. We exchanged several emails after he was completely blasted by trolls on MWO. I was appalled and heart-broken about those threads. He knows it. DO YOU LIE JUST FOR FUN? Or is it because you have absolutely nothing to stand on, and nowhere to run. You're just making up horrible things about me in order to justify attacking me for posting completely reasonable, fact based information.
You just couldn't leave well enough alone, could you? You have your website, I was officially supportive, and yet here you are attacking me. I'd ignore it, would love to ignore it, but I can't. The internet is too volatile, my personal information is too available, and I won't be mistreated here or anywhere else.
So, you call someone an "asshole" indirectly... but I am the one attacking people personally? That's rich.
You fell out with Ameisen and said all sorts of things about him. You attacked me for suggesting that he got involved in baclofen after a friend referred him to work being done on cocaine addiction by Dr. Childress which is in his book. I am constantly finding you haven't read or understood his book which is no doubt the reason he got upset with you, because you routinely ignore his views and substitute your own.
In the US, courts are where people go to get fair treatment by government and professionals. That is just the way it is but you constantly put me down as some sort of fanatic who wants people to threaten law suits. I've not said that, ever. I just know that a court is the only place you can actually get compensation for being wrongly treated.
So, what do you have to say about someone paying $30,000 a month for residential alcoholism treatment who isn't even told about baclofen and relapses within 6 months? Any thoughts on that one, because that is what I have seen happen. Do they ask for their money back or just accept it? Everything is ok, is it? Because there are "laws and guidelines", presumably, according to you, which protect doctors who are lazy and don't want to deal with alcoholism, like our first GP who we had to get rid of to find a GP who actually cared and understood the treatment and liaised with specialists.
Thank you.
You misrepresent what I wrote. It's right there in black and white. I've quoted it here for clarity. Let me be even more clear. I believe that physicians can and should participate in treating people with high dose baclofen. I know that general practitioners are very unlikely to take on that treatment, and that the best resource is a physician specializing in addiction treatment. Harassing or threatening a doctor is very unlikely to work. Mainly because it is explicitly clear that the doctor puts herself at great legal and professional risk by prescribing off-label at many times the federally mandated dose.
I didn't directly call you an asshole. I said one of us was an asshole. I thought one of the reasons you didn't post here is because there are several people who insist that you be truthful and accurate. You haven't ever been able to do that.
It is a lie that I have sent you PMs that called you names or heaped abuse on you. You do scare people. You scare me.
hmmm. I'm here, week in and week out, telling my story and supporting others. I'd call that genuine. And as to the people who send you emails about me...whatever. Gossip. I'm very clear about the people who find me distasteful and the reasons are similar. They post malarkey and then expect us to ignore it.
Ha! If that was the case, do you think we'd be having this discussion? Oh, the irony.
Wrong again.
Fat lot of good the degree has done you. It certainly doesn't make you right about this issue in the United States or in the UK. Please see these posts:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1677878
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1677895
Lies again. And I have the emails, voicemails and text messages to prove it. There were three major reasons that I could not in good faith participate in the website he created (that I helped with). Number 3 was your participation as a moderator. I won't speak any more about Lo0p or the website except to say that you are lying.
Unlike you, I never represent Ameisen's views. I quote from the book. Or from the other things he's written.
First of all that is a terrible thing to say. You know it's not true. You know what happened on that thread. It was heartbreaking.
Ameisen and I did not have any issues before he died. We exchanged several emails after he was completely blasted by trolls on MWO. I was appalled and heart-broken about those threads. He knows it. DO YOU LIE JUST FOR FUN? Or is it because you have absolutely nothing to stand on, and nowhere to run. You're just making up horrible things about me in order to justify attacking me for posting completely reasonable, fact based information.
You just couldn't leave well enough alone, could you? You have your website, I was officially supportive, and yet here you are attacking me. I'd ignore it, would love to ignore it, but I can't. The internet is too volatile, my personal information is too available, and I won't be mistreated here or anywhere else.
So, you call someone an "asshole" indirectly... but I am the one attacking people personally? That's rich.
You fell out with Ameisen and said all sorts of things about him. You attacked me for suggesting that he got involved in baclofen after a friend referred him to work being done on cocaine addiction by Dr. Childress which is in his book. I am constantly finding you haven't read or understood his book which is no doubt the reason he got upset with you, because you routinely ignore his views and substitute your own.
In the US, courts are where people go to get fair treatment by government and professionals. That is just the way it is but you constantly put me down as some sort of fanatic who wants people to threaten law suits. I've not said that, ever. I just know that a court is the only place you can actually get compensation for being wrongly treated.
So, what do you have to say about someone paying $30,000 a month for residential alcoholism treatment who isn't even told about baclofen and relapses within 6 months? Any thoughts on that one, because that is what I have seen happen. Do they ask for their money back or just accept it? Everything is ok, is it? Because there are "laws and guidelines", presumably, according to you, which protect doctors who are lazy and don't want to deal with alcoholism, like our first GP who we had to get rid of to find a GP who actually cared and understood the treatment and liaised with specialists.
The good news is that Otter and NE are now back to being friends -they have a common enemy.... lol, but true.
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