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    #16
    What The Hell Is Going On Here????

    I am going to keep posting. I think this is just a phase that groups go through. It happened back in October, everyone falling out. Take a break. Life goes on.

    All will be well.

    We need a poetry thread

    Here is a start:

    Once more within the Potter's house alone
    I stood, surrounded by the Shapes of Clay.

    LXXXIII.

    Shapes of all Sorts and Sizes, great and small,
    That stood along the floor and by the wall;
    And some loquacious Vessels were; and some
    Listen'd perhaps, but never talk'd at all.

    LXXXIV.

    Said one among them--"Surely not in vain
    My substance of the common Earth was ta'en
    And to this Figure molded, to be broke,
    Or trampled back to shapeless Earth again."

    LXXXV.

    Then said a Second--"Ne'er a peevish Boy
    Would break the Bowl from which he drank in joy;
    And He that with his hand the Vessel made
    Will surely not in after Wrath destroy."

    LXXXVI.

    After a momentary silence spake
    Some Vessel of a more ungainly Make;
    "They sneer at me for leaning all awry:
    What! did the Hand then of the Potter shake?"

    LXXXVII.

    Whereat some one of the loquacious Lot--
    I think a Sufi pipkin--waxing hot--
    "All this of Pot and Potter--Tell me then,
    Who is the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?"

    LXXXVIII.

    "Why," said another, "Some there are who tell
    Of one who threatens he will toss to Hell
    The luckless Pots he marr'd in making--Pish!
    He's a Good Fellow, and 'twill all be well."
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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      #17
      What The Hell Is Going On Here????

      We don't need poetry, we need pictures of tiny little kittens looking all cute and cuddly-wuddly.


      The unexamined life is not worth living

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        #18
        What The Hell Is Going On Here????

        awww!
        I am a sobriety tart. AA/Smart/RR philosophy, meds/diet/exercise/prayer,rabbbits feet/four leaf clovers/horseshoes. Yes please.I will have them all thank you very much.Bring them on


        There is no way the bottle is going to be stronger than I am.

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          #19
          What The Hell Is Going On Here????

          I hope this is the poetry thread as I dont want to offend anyone

          If you can't be a pine on the top of the hill
          Be a scrub in the valley--but be
          The best little scrub by the side of the rill;
          Be a bush if you can't be a tree.

          If you can't be a bush be a bit of the grass,
          And some highway some happier make;
          If you can't be a muskie then just be a bass--
          But the liveliest bass in the lake!

          We can't all be captains, we've got to be crew,
          There's something for all of us here.
          There's big work to do and there's lesser to do,
          And the task we must do is the near.

          If you can't be a highway then just be a trail,
          If you can't be the sun be a star;
          It isn't by size that you win or you fail--
          Be the best of whatever you are!
          "In the depths of winter I finally learned there was in me an invincible summer ."
          AF - JAN 1st 2010
          NF - May 1996

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            #20
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            beatle;1089198 wrote: We are already getting away from what this thread was started to say...

            You haters need to STOP. It's out of control.
            .
            Firstly? "Haters"? This isn't a Justin Bieber fan site. We're all adults, can we please discuss this like adults, and use adult language. I don't understand what the word "haters" mean? Or exactly who you are addressing? Is it me?

            I found Charlieboys thread deeply unhelpful and unnecessary. In fact I've found much of the discourse on this forum lately utterly unhelpful and too much like a clique. A set of injokes and back slapping. Because despite what some posters think this forum is the first port of call for many people starting on Baclofen.

            The forum bears no resemblance to the forum that existed when I joined, many of the threads that are on here would suit other areas of the forum. Off topic chatter and banter that could be in pm, in chat or in some kind of chat forum. If I signed on today I'm not sure what I'd make of Baclofen and the people using it.

            If that makes me a "hater" fine.

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              #21
              What The Hell Is Going On Here????

              You don't like Justin Bieber, Longshot? :H I don't either.

              Maybe haters isn't the most eloquent word. Okay, it really is juevenile. Here's some other adjectives that may express what I was trying to say: Dismissive, arrogant, hateful, spiteful, vindictive, unsympathetic, nasty, offensive.....shall I go on?

              This is a support group. I understand where you're coming from regarding the personal conversations we have, and that it may get away from baclofen (not bac), but that shouldn't be deemed as unsupportive. Like so much of this other stuff that's been going on here does. There has been an almost daily battle around here complete with f@@k offs and other expletives.

              I guess one has to be well read on everything, to even post on these threads. Somebody is considered out of line because he doesn't understand the medical system, and education required for medical professionals. He wan't trying to cause trouble. He was worried about himself, and now he will probably be very hesitant to post anything about what he's going through.

              As far as cliques go, I'm listening. When I first came on here, I felt like there were cliques too. You were here already when I started posting. I'm not sure if it's because people already had established relationships, or what. I don't think that anyone excludes anyone else. Maybe I'm not seeing it for what it is. I have to think about that.

              I'm more concerned with the hostility on these threads of late. It could deter new people, and the old people too. I'm thinking this is of greater concern right now. There was a newbie that came on these threads today, who expressed concerns with the lack of support and was worried about being insulted. Very alarming.
              This Princess Saved Herself

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                #22
                What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                redhead77;1089709 wrote: You don't like Justin Bieber Longshot? :H I don't either.

                Maybe haters isn't the most eloquent word, to say the least. Here's some other adjectives that may express what I was trying to say: Dismissive, arrogant, hateful, spiteful, vindictive, unsympathetic, nasty, offensive.....shall I go on?

                This is a support group. I understand where you're coming from regarding the personal conversations we have, and that it may get away from baclofen (not bac), but that shouldn't be deemed as unsupportive. Like so much of this other stuff that's been going on here does. There has been an almost daily battle around here complete with f@@k offs and other expletives.

                I guess one has to be well read on everything, to even post on these threads. Somebody is considered out of line because he doesn't understand the medical system, and education required for medical professionals. He wan't trying to cause trouble. He was worried about himself, and now he will probably be very hesitant to post anything about what he's going through.

                As far as cliques go, I'm listening. When I first came on here, I felt like their were cliques too. You were here already when I started posting. I'm not sure if it's because people already had established relationships, or what. I don't think that anyone excludes anyone else. Maybe I'm not seeing it for what it is. I have to think about that.

                I'm more concerned with the hostility on these threads of late. It could deter new people, and the old people too. I'm thinking this is of greater concern right now. There was a newbie that came on these threads today, who expressed concerns with the lack of support and was worried about being insulted. Very alarming.
                My posts nice, supportive, considerate, and positive and all that jazz, at the start. Read through the thread again, I started off that way, and started getting more and more frustrated at his list of specific claims about serious side effects, which he gradually walked away from without explaining.

                Thats serious. Thats dangerous.

                And I'm aware of the hostility, and frankly I think someone coming on with a laundry list of drastic side effects and then start hypothesising that there's something wrong with his baclofen, is profoundly unhelpful and should be treated as such. Especially When there no merit to either claim.

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                  #23
                  What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                  Oy Vey!! And I'm not even Jewish (actually, I think I am, but it has been so thoroughly denied in my heritage that I am the only leg that issue stands on!) Bac-lofenite that I am, I can only address these issues one at at time. (Oh, god, now I have to admit to never following through on the posting and pasting instruction!).

                  First and foremost, I agree that we need a thread for poetry and imagery. I think Chillgirl has one going in "general." We should all visit that more often (I'm pointing my finger at myself!). Yet, from my own experience, I would savor a thread of words and images from those that go before us (and even we, as we go through this); some things cannot be transferred in words, only in the feelings and connections to our own experience that the words evoke. Poetry is my choice. I recently had to let go of a romantic relationship, and find that falling in asleep with Rumi, and having him in my bed whenever I awake, is a good thing.

                  So thanks, Otter.

                  Longshot . . . I totally understand your concerns, but in the long run, what gets posted on this board is not your business. Sorry to be so blunt. I don't think your post was in any way inappropriate. You were boldly expressing your feelings on this matter. I respect that tremendously. It's just these kinds of #$@^&**(%!'s that keep this board going and keep people looking for their own way out.

                  This WHOLE conversation about baclofen is serious and dangerous. There WILL be some fall-out. There WILL be some remarkable lives restored. Hang in for a while and you may see, as I have, tides of clarity, then tides of confusion, then tides of resistance . . . it all happens. It's pretty cool. It's also possible to support the things/members you like, without needing to discount anyone else.

                  Thank you for your passion and deep concern for those who are coming after you.
                  "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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                    #24
                    What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                    Clearly I need to drink the water, and practice the meditation and take the vitamins that redthread does. Because that's not at all the way I feel.

                    I've never been so offended or put off in my 10 months visiting here daily as I have been in the last week. The AA thread? The psychosomatic thread? Several others. Several! In as many days, that disgust me.

                    It is the same people time and again who participate in this. Even the ones I like and agree with have written things that appall and offend me.

                    Free speech, dialogue, discussion, debate, I'm in. Vitriolic bull shit in taking the guise of passion? It doesn't jeopardize my sobriety but it does worm it's hateful way into my world. I don't think hateful is too strong a word, not by any stretch.

                    I'm also tired of hearing about or catching flak, ftr, from people off line about all of this shit. I won't be bullied off, and don't want to hear anyone else threatening to do it unless they've done something to address it.

                    For those people who feel left out, I've got this to say: Quit whining and reach out. I've pmd EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. What do you want, exactly? An invite to dinner? And read the threads. Quit wasting my time.
                    For those that think they are helping by interjecting their experiences with bac for an earache:
                    enough said.
                    For those that CONTINUE to sow anger and hard feelings, hurtfulness and hate, well, I don't meditate enough. (I like you all individually, ironically. Ironic because I can't stand you when you get all passionate.) If you want to spew stuff, including expletives but even just drama, START A THREAD! STAY THERE! LEAVE THE NEWBIES ALONE!!! Antagonistic drunk and annoying, the lot of you, except the one that isn't drunk. I'm not sure what the excuse is there. Not everyone can separate the person from the disease. They shouldn't have to.
                    I hate MWO right now for the first time since I got here.

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                      #25
                      What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                      The AA thread?


                      NE, hey, cumon, I started that.

                      We all have our moments!

                      I am sorry to hear you sounding so down. There are people on here who have upset me deeply over the past months and still do. I think we all have to find a way of trying to be positive and get on with it. I am finding it easier to ignore some of the nastiness. I put that down to the success we have experienced with Baclofen.

                      On one of my darkest nights last November when all hell was breaking loose and most sane people would have just got up and walked away, I lay in bed and I smiled and thought, "Baclofen has saved my life".

                      It has been an incredibly hard struggle since then and it still is and will be for some time. I hope some day to be able to say more to those who don't know the whole story.

                      However awful it has been, yesterday I asked my wife about how she felt about the whole thing and she said that whatever has happened, is happening and might happen out of all this "it has been worth it" because Baclofen has changed her.

                      We are all working through our own crap and this is a good place to get these ideas off our chests. None of this actually hurts anyone unless they let it. I have felt awful about what people have said about me and about others here, even in the past few days but this is still a place worth coming to and incredibly important for the advancement of Baclofen, IMO.

                      So, please, please, don't go.

                      Love

                      Otter
                      BACLOFENISTA

                      baclofenuk.com

                      http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                      Olivier Ameisen

                      In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                        #26
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                        Great post Otter. Thanks for being a voice of reason and sanity. I've been feeling bad about my outbursts on this thread..... we are all different and sometimes we will disagree as to what is "right or wrong". I was focusing on the privacy and respect of OA, who I admire so much, I couldn't help myself... and lost sight of other things that people were feeling/needing. I apologize for for the harsh words I used. Not appropriate for a support forum.

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                          #27
                          What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                          None of us should allow things here to get to us too much. Nobody would be here on an alcohol dependence forum without having an alcohol problem, or helping others with such a problem, so we're all in this together. No matter what our differences or arguments we are still stuck with this illness in our lives. I have seen lively arguments within AA rooms, and I imagine it would also be common in rehabs. None of that means the people don't support each other, it's just venting of steam. Even close friends have lively arguments at times, and have strongly differing opinions on issues.

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                            #28
                            What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                            Otter;1090092 wrote: The AA thread?


                            NE, hey, cumon, I started that.

                            We all have our moments!

                            So, please, please, don't go.

                            Love

                            Otter
                            Otter, the AA thread was a complete disaster. So, what was done about it? A new one was started, that again went south. FTR, the fuck off statement was directed at you. You are a key player in these hate threads, and statements. I have seen numerous times whether deleted or not, that you say very inappropriate things.
                            This Princess Saved Herself

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                              #29
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                              redhead77;1090191 wrote: Otter, the AA thread was a complete disaster. So, what was done about it? A new one was started, that again went south. FTR, the fuck off statement was directed at you. You are a key player in these hate threads, and statements. I have seen numerous times whether deleted or not, that you say very inappropriate things.

                              I was looking for your statement to me today. If I need to take a break from these forums, feel free. You won't be going anywhere. It's now gone. I may have had some psychosomatic hallucination on the whole thing, but I doubt it. I felt hurt that that I am so easily dismissed. Then again, I'm not suprised too much. Some are begged not to go, and others, the new ones, are just blatantly dismissed.


                              can't there just be a group truce?

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                                #30
                                What The Hell Is Going On Here????

                                Two salient points in my ill conceived rant:

                                Ne/Neva Eva;1089898 wrote: I won't be bullied off,
                                and my friend, Otter,

                                Ne/Neva Eva;1089898 wrote:
                                except the one that isn't drunk.
                                That was referring to you.

                                Let's leave the bac-only agendas for the bac only forum. This is not that. And while I often agree with you, I do find that your voice is among the fray quite often. Not sure what's up with that. But it lends itself to the animosity that these threads have become recently.

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