The latest research on baclofen

[missyabby1]

The latest research on baclofen

My God Smurph how you have changed your tune! Firstly , we had Baclofen totally curing your alocholism. Period. Then we found out that you were still having your lager at night ........because you enjoyed the taste........then we had you had a "normal attitude ........or whatever......to alcohol.......now we have a complicity to lessening alcohol intake on low dose bac!

Look, I appreciate you thinking I,m a halfwit but really mate what is going to be the next revelation? By the way are you still drinking ? Much as you like the "taste" ?
My helmet is on, I am battened down and waiting for the onslaught.
Missy, aka Ozzie UK Blonde apparently !

[Murphyx]

The latest research on baclofen

missyabby1;1089656 wrote: My God Smurph how you have changed your tune! Firstly , we had Baclofen totally curing your alocholism. Period. Then we found out that you were still having your lager at night ........because you enjoyed the taste........then we had you had a "normal attitude ........or whatever......to alcohol.......now we have a complicity to lessening alcohol intake on low dose bac!

Look, I appreciate you thinking I,m a halfwit but really mate what is going to be the next revelation? By the way are you still drinking ? Much as you like the "taste" ?
My helmet is on, I am battened down and waiting for the onslaught.
Missy, aka Ozzie UK Blonde apparently !

Please, nobody reply to this, it just encourages her.

[Chi]

The latest research on baclofen

Murphyx;1089667 wrote: Please, nobody reply to this, it just encourages her.

aaah... I didn't have to see it. Murph I found out there is a function here to "ignore" people. You won't even have to see their posts. I highly suggest using it. Click on the name, then add to ignore list.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

The latest research on baclofen

Chi;1089649 wrote: ... I can say that for me the thoughts of going AF were too overwhelming. I mean I wanted to think I could/would do it, but psychologically I did not want to give up booze entirely. I needed a year of reduced drinking to really see the joys of increased sobriety. I know that sounds nuts, but that's how ingrained drinking was for me. I kind of envy those who can immediately jump into full on sobriety and feel instant joy and never look back..... I had to take the long road..
I've given this a bit of thought myself over the last couple of days. I think that for me, bac was an endgame. I'd already had periods of forced sobriety, and white-knuckled sobriety, and I was drinking in the closet, so almost all of the social things or major things I participated in, I did sober. It was a relatively painless (though looong) transition for me to AF.

Chi;1089649 wrote: ... The truth is, if AL wasn't bad for my health, no hangovers, blackouts, and the negatives we all know I would never have considered cutting down. I thought the buzz was all the rage. It's taken me a long time to prefer clarity over buzz for more and more increased periods of time. My coping mechanisms have improved... but for me it had to be baby steps. I'm still taking them. .

I relate to this, very much. I looooove being buzzed and even being drunk. (except when I didn't! Which was a lot.) But for me, the decision to quit was more than that. It was also because it was sucking too much of my time and energy. I couldn't do the things I wanted to because the allure of AL was always there. And it was getting worse. Again. I was definitely on the road to yet another 30-day-rest in HELL.
You think your roommate was bad? Try living with a sober drunk or two, and spending every waking moment with them. (I could go on, but we've all heard the stories. They're true.)
Still, glad you got rid of her and have some time to reflect!

[Chi]

The latest research on baclofen

Ne, that's the thing, there is always a price to pay for that buzz. It steals your time away. I think as I have gotten older I realize life is too short for that.

In your situation, the closet drinking isn't good for obvious reasons, but at least you did many of your social things sober. That has been one of my biggest issues... my husband and I did all our social things drunk. Now we are having to learn a new way, but it is coming along, slowly.

[missyabby1]

The latest research on baclofen

Wow Chi, that was about the biggest put down I have ever had on this forum. I thought I had asked some reasonable questions of Murphy but he came back with a total put down. I would still like him to answer the questions I put to him in an honest manner. I saw them as being totally honest and asked them in a totally honest way.

I would like them to be answered by him and not put in the ignored basket. Murph has already told me to fuck off more then once when questioned but if you feel the need to protect him then so be it. But why? I just find him flippant, to be honest, a know all, and because we all find him funny does not give him the right to state facts that new people may not feel comfortable questioning.

Anyway I do not belong to the bac people, and I know that sounds childish, but that has been my perception since being here.

That was hurtful Chi and you have just made me feel that my contribution here is virtually worthless.

Missy

[Evey]

The latest research on baclofen

Please, can we stop this. This is derailing the whole purpose of these boards.

[bleep]

The latest research on baclofen

Chi, what you said about the buzz, and also about a life of no alcohol really rings, or rang true. I too used to live for the buzz of alcohol, I could conceive of no greater feeling. And for sure, at the time, there wasn't a greater feeling. Consequently, a life without that was inconceivable.

Then, after reaching indifference, I noticed a shift in my attitude - suddenly the glow from alcohol wasn't the be-all and end-all of everything. It lost its allure. Since the allure is gone, from here, a life of not drinking doesn't seem so bad. There are still social occasions that I will drink at, definitely, but that involves a few glasses of wine. The idea of getting drunk has shifted for me. Before, it was a goal. Now, it would be an unpleasant consequence.

I find it very strange, but at the same time it feels strangely normal. I suppose this is how the other half lives.

[Chi]

The latest research on baclofen

bleep;1089840 wrote: Chi, what you said about the buzz, and also about a life of no alcohol really rings, or rang true. I too used to live for the buzz of alcohol, I could conceive of no greater feeling. And for sure, at the time, there wasn't a greater feeling. Consequently, a life without that was inconceivable.

Then, after reaching indifference, I noticed a shift in my attitude - suddenly the glow from alcohol wasn't the be-all and end-all of everything. It lost its allure. Since the allure is gone, from here, a life of not drinking doesn't seem so bad. There are still social occasions that I will drink at, definitely, but that involves a few glasses of wine. The idea of getting drunk has shifted for me. Before, it was a goal. Now, it would be an unpleasant consequence.

I find it very strange, but at the same time it feels strangely normal. I suppose this is how the other half lives.

Yep losing the allure is what seems to happen. Prime example I just came in from outside, a nice warm day and in the past my first thought would have been to grab a beer. Instead I am really enjoying some iced tea. Pretty amazing how this stuff works.

My only concern, really, is not knowing if there are any long term consequences and potential withdrawal issues if I can no longer take baclofen. Of course that pales in comparison to the consequences of heavy drinking so I remain thankful.

[missyabby1]

The latest research on baclofen

Wow Chi there you go......no response at all about your rudeness to me. Just another self absorbed answer . No recourse , no accountability for rudeness on this forum anymore.God help the new people. But they seem to be the least of your worries. As Murph said ....don't encourage or engage with me.
Might not get the right response......

[Chi]

The latest research on baclofen

Okay in looking into baclofen withdrawal I came across this:

Literature Review:
Treatment of baclofen withdrawal has not been studied in controlled clinical trials and is mostly supportive in nature. The only definitive treatment for withdrawal is re-institution of baclofen therapy. However, spasticity and seizures can be managed with benzodiazepines. Benzodiazepines are a good adjunct therapy because of the activation of GABAA receptors with antagonism of spasticity and central nervous system excitation bypassing the downregulated GABAB receptor pathways.3

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[Murphyx]

The latest research on baclofen

bleep;1089840 wrote: The idea of getting drunk has shifted for me. Before, it was a goal. Now, it would be an unpleasant consequence.

Oh OK, I just have to emphasise this sentence. I absolutely know what you mean. Wonderfully put.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

The latest research on baclofen

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...wal-48242.html

I think there is something about benzos in there. I think it says that benzos don't work very well.

[Chi]

The latest research on baclofen

Ne/Neva Eva;1089912 wrote: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...wal-48242.html

I think there is something about benzos in there. I think it says that benzos don't work very well.
Other supportive interventions are likely to be required to reduce the complications of delirium until symptoms resolve. For example, use of antipyretics may be warranted.34 If resumption of baclofen fails to remit spasticity, use of dantrolene or other antispasmodics and/or benzodiazepines may be helpful.4,16 In addition, benzodiazepines and/or anticonvulsants may suppress or attenuate withdrawal seizures.4,11,12,14,18,19,25 Antipsychotic medications may be required to control hallucinations and psychomotoric restlessness and to prevent the possibility of inadvertent self-harm.10,14,24 However, in light of concerns about risk of seizures, caution should be exercised in using antipsychotic medications; concomitant benzodiazepine use may mitigate this risk. The aforementioned supplemental agents are not required for long periods, as withdrawal symptoms are time limited, especially if the baclofen is resumed.

There might be more on the subject, I'll post whatever I find.

[Otter]

The latest research on baclofen

Chi;1089226 wrote: Thanks for sharing Cindi, I'm glad things are going better this time around. :goodjob:


This article is interesting and so are the comments:

The End of An Addiction: could baclofen be the cure we're looking for? : Neurotopia

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OMG! Not him again going on about his wife!

I posted on this blog the day after I first saw Ameisen on TV. Got into a nasty argument with some guy called DuWayne. What a laugh. How things have moved on since 2009. I found the TSM forum and then MWO a couple of months later and the rest is history. Interesting to look back and now to think that our GP prescribes Baclofen etc. etc.

Getting to the point. I think too much is made of Baclofen as being a "cure". It is what you make of it. I am on a low dose myself although I sometimes go up to 50 mg or so a day. I used to drink every day and through the night for insomnia. I reduced slowly over a few years. I wish I had had Baclofen then because it made me a nervous wreck. All of my nervous/anxiety problems have now gone. I do find that my mind is slower to react and I am more forgetful.

I am starting to think that Baclofen could be used to treat "anger". I get angry thinking about stuff that is going on and then I take some Baclofen and my whole mood shifts. Instead of feeling defeated and wanting to get back at someone, I start to feel positive about the situation and look at ways of just handling it without getting worked up. I find an approach and then feel good that I can fight back, not get upset and probably win. Just like exchanges on this foruml. You see people make comments that might bother you and then you just say why bother getting upset. Doesn't add to anything and there are better things to do with one's time. Very pleasant stuff really.

And, I don't drink anymore. Had some beer on the beach in the summer and just wondered why I bothered. I have developed a taste for cold water and ice cold Coke. I think Bac returns your brain to the state it was in as a child when you would have a sip of beer and wonder why anyone would want to drink it. I just wonder about the memory thing. I have to keep the dose down but cannot with the stress I am under at the moment so it is a bit of a worry.